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#26 2008-08-02 10:30 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Steyr AUG wrote:

The MIHOP/LIHOP crowd has a significant contingent of followers.

The Many and Lascivious International Houses of Pancakes? confused


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#27 2008-08-02 10:41 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Made it happen on purpose/Let it happen on purpose. Ie those loose change folks who claim practically anything was known and even planned by an evil government conspiracy. There are examples of that type of thinking in this very thread.


Just like back in Saigon! Eh, slick?

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#28 2008-08-02 11:35 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Steyr AUG wrote:

Made it happen on purpose/Let it happen on purpose. Ie those loose change folks who claim practically anything was known and even planned by an evil government conspiracy. There are examples of that type of thinking in this very thread.

That's military thinking for you. Stuff everything into neat little cubbyholes with cute acronyms.


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#29 2008-08-02 12:02 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

jerwin wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Made it happen on purpose/Let it happen on purpose. Ie those loose change folks who claim practically anything was known and even planned by an evil government conspiracy. There are examples of that type of thinking in this very thread.

That's military thinking for you. Stuff everything into neat little cubbyholes with cute acronyms.

Actually thats the acronym from the crazies who came up with the idea and believe it so readily.


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#30 2008-08-02 12:10 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Steyr AUG wrote:

Made it happen on purpose/Let it happen on purpose. Ie those loose change folks who claim practically anything was known and even planned by an evil government conspiracy.

Ah.

There are examples of that type of thinking in this very thread.

I was reading that as sarcasm. It helps me sleep better at night.


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#31 2008-08-02 5:14 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

I was being sarcastic about Cheney having him killed. Geez.

Cheney has his hands full figuring a way to get Navy Seals to dress up as Iranian Republican Guardsmen so the navy can shoot at them and start a war. Geez.


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#32 2008-08-03 2:24 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Google suggests that's an acronym with minimal circulation.

lol

Beats 'make-it-happen-on-accident' (sneaky), I suppose.


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#33 2008-08-03 11:19 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Yet the concept is progressively popular.


Just like back in Saigon! Eh, slick?

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#34 2008-08-03 11:48 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Any stats on that?

In any event, "make-it-happen-on-purpose" is redundant.


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#35 2008-08-03 11:49 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

A trust vacuum, perhaps?


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#36 2008-08-03 12:07 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

bratboy wrote:

Any stats on that?

In any event, "make-it-happen-on-purpose" is redundant.

Google suggests it.


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#37 2008-08-03 11:07 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

[Tycho?] wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

Is anyone else embarrassed that the public and Congress bought the idea that Saddam Hussein was having people stuff anthrax into friggin envelopes and madly mailing them off ?

People said Saddam was behind the anthrax? I didn't hear that one. Of course the american public has shown itself to be far more stupid/gullible than that, so its not surprising.

Something to do with some clay-like carrier material that it was mixed with - presumably indicative of Hussein's bioweapons program.


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#38 2008-08-07 11:17 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

So, is everybody in with the 'Lone Flaxman THEORY'?

Greenwald has lots of questions. As do I. Today CSPAN/WJ had the WSJ reporter whose artilcel goes in-depth on varying 'evidence'. Not one caller made a claim that the whole story is out; case closed. Some even reached further into the usual suspect of conspiracy theory than even I would.

THe method of the alleged perp's demise was questioned. THe 'chain of custody' of the offending flax was not solely with Ivins; up to 100 others had access.

There's nothing really tying him to the mailbox near the sorority that he was allegedly obsessed with. (Why wouldn't THEY be a target? Just askin....)

Many holes in the story. Many with the same basic unanswered evedentiary items that should be slam dunk.

The same way basic questions about VT and Cho are still open. Like the tie in with the first female killed in the dorm was empty...and the sorority obsession seems little related to the rest of the case.

It could be he was it. Perhaps many others. Perhaps on orders. Perhaps from the Unitary Exec.

That line holds as much as what out in the public record as of today.


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#39 2008-08-07 12:17 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

I've read that the "the sorority that he was allegedly obsessed with" doesn't even have a house on that campus, just like a storage type place.

Most of what I'm reading makes me wonder if I should quit making fun of the tinfoil hat brigade.


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#40 2008-08-07 12:18 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

YEs you ShOuuDL! Or I'll hAVE to Shoot you and PoisON yOur AlieNN Slef.


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#41 2008-08-08 10:09 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Plus, I'd say that a change of the guard a year or two back wasn't just 'a fresh set of eyes'...it was a clean set of eyes. That is, actually trying to find out what happened. The thing was a backwater wasteland of investigation. Or coverup.

How come many U.S. city PD's and DA's can crack a whole lot of weird cases with hardly an assist from CSI, while the largest and highest profile crimes seem to be the cue for bringing in the KeyStoned Cops?

After a while, basic imcompetence doesn't add up when you're dealing in FBI experts and such. They all can't really be that stupid, right?


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#42 2008-08-08 4:16 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vi … geId=71721

Interestingly, there is apparently evidence that Ivins didn't do it either. If true, that would be two bad calls - one destroyed career, and one lost life - with nothing to show for it.

Maybe the FBI should start investigating crayon thefts at local kindergarten schools, and let us form a another agency to handle the hard stuff.

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#43 2008-08-09 9:27 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

ONE lost life?


losing anthrax case - Yahoo! News
Five people died and 17 others were sickened when anthrax-laced letters began ... A murder indictment and the possibility of the death penalty could have ...

Plus, the choice of method for the 6th (Ivins) is, uhhh, 'questionable'? And, no suicide note reported. Hmmm....weird letters and weird behavior....but he doesn't take credit or blame?

Guess 'we'll never know.'

Especially since John Edwards's luvchile has the cable world blacked out just like for po' Timmeh. No news all the time.


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
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#44 2008-08-19 12:53 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Late word has it that the FBI confiscated 2 PC's from Frederick MD library. Apparently Ivins was a user. They want to access files he may have created; also he is said to have checked email.

1) The library here has video surveillance all over the building. Does yours? Anyway, I'd like to see some tape that places him using a PC.
2) I'd like to see his email traffic.


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http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#45 2008-08-19 8:25 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

The FBI is going to see if their evidence can pass peer review:

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080819/ … s=news_rss


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#46 2008-08-21 10:49 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Hank Rearden wrote:

The FBI is going to see if their evidence can pass peer review:

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080819/ … s=news_rss

Here is a more detailed article on the science:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/21/scien … ref=slogin

A shame they didn't wait until the results were in to start accusing people. Might have saved them a few million...

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#47 2008-08-21 11:33 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

The FBI has acknowledged, much like the CIA interrogation tapes, that they destroyed the original specimen they got from Ivins back in 2001. Supposedly because what they had could not be used as 'evidence'? I find that somewhat Catch-22/1984/BNWish. The latest info is based on a 2003 Ivins submission.

Curiouser.


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#48 2008-08-23 3:06 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Here's the beginning of the FBI's evidence out in public... re: whether or not the anthrax was "weaponized."

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2008/0 … estigation


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#49 2008-08-25 11:04 am

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

Which begs the question:

Which flask?


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#50 2008-08-25 12:48 pm

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Re: FBI: "aw, we were THIS close!!"

The chalice from the palace contains the brew that is true.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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