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#26 2008-08-06 10:46 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

justine wrote:

Antonio wrote:

justine wrote:


Well, maybe they aren't vague and subjective. She's asking us, not them. She needs to contact her city like i said before and find out what the law actually is.

Are you part of a homeowner's association?

This doesn't have anything to do with HOAs. The city fined her for blight. She's lucky they didn't send someone out to clean it up and then send her a bill.

Yeah, I thought so.


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#27 2008-08-06 10:53 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

I don't know where she lives, but this is from the Denver municipal code:

(2)   For the following a one hundred dollar ($100.00) fee shall be charged:
a.   Appeal of cease and desist orders from neighborhood inspection services for zoning violations involving inoperable or dismantled vehicles or trash or junk on the property....

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...however, upon finding by the board that an order or denial is issued in error and that order or denial is rescinded by the department, or the finding of other unique and/or exceptional circumstances, the board, by majority vote, may order the refund of all or a portion of the filing fee paid.

I'm wondering if she has some sort of brush growing on her property that's obscuring the view on an adjacent roadway.


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#28 2008-08-06 10:55 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

(a)   It shall be the duty of the owner, agent, or lessee of any real property located within the city to provide for regular weeding, pruning, and other maintenance of all plantings located on said private property. Plant materials which exhibit evidence of pests, disease, or damage shall be appropriately treated, and dead plant materials shall be removed or replaced.

(b)   It shall be the duty of the owner, agent, or lessee of any real property abutting a public right-of-way located within the city to provide for landscaping and maintenance of any right-of-way area between his property line and the curb line or the edge of the roadway and between the property line and the center line of any alley.

(c)   Failure to perform these duties so that a violation exists on private property as proscribed by this article and by applicable rules and regulations shall constitute a nuisance for which reasonable means to abate are hereby authorized.


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#29 2008-08-06 11:53 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

bratboy wrote:

(a)   It shall be the duty of the owner, agent, or lessee of any real property located within the city to provide for regular weeding, pruning, and other maintenance of all plantings located on said private property.

So, what exactly is a weed?  If I want to grow Alfalfa in my flower beds, will I get fined?  Its a flowering plant.  So is Clover.  Any city that would try to enforce that on me would get its ass handed back to it.  All these blight laws are complete bullsmurf.  Its one thing if the place is falling together and becoming a safety hazard, but fining someone because the yard is a bit disheveled?  I think not. 


smurf, if our township tried that, I think certain farmers would have a "chat" with certain board members.  lol


Reason #1,000,001 I will never live in a city, town, or village.


That said, I would contact the city and have them explain what they mean, and their evidence.  Pictures of the "blight" would be necessary.  Otherwise they have nothing to stand on.


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#30 2008-08-07 12:04 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Thrica wrote:

sturner wrote:

Nope, she said there is a $100 fee to submit an appeal.

Where?

malkin wrote:

Get this, $100 fee to appeal.    Kiss my smurf

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#31 2008-08-07 7:59 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

I've already pointed out that the law (at least in Denver) requires a $100 fee to appeal....so it's likely that she was referring to a fee for appealing.


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#32 2008-08-07 8:01 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Orion wrote:

Any city that would try to enforce that on me would get its ass handed back to it.

That usually works.


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#33 2008-08-07 6:35 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

I'm not sure what a "weed" is or why they are bugging us.  This is a pic of the front of our house..  It's looked pretty much like that all summer long

On the other side of the red truck is the concrete blocks they want us to remove, but I think someone from craigs list is going to get them tonight.  I have no idea what is blocking the "public right of way"  The trash cans do sit on the street on trash day, but ALL homes have trash cans that sit on the street.  Not in front of the mail box, not in front of the drive way, not on the sidewalk. 

Good news is we may be getting sod for at least 1/2 of the front.  The other half will get some kind of heat loveing plants next spring.

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#34 2008-08-07 6:36 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Oh yes I'm in Denver, no it's NOT an HOA, and yes it's a $100 appeal fee. 

On the other hand we could cut our losses, and move to AK tomorrow then they city would have one more empty house to deal with (housing here sucks)

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#35 2008-08-07 7:08 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Weeds are what is left green when you don't water your lawn all summer.

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#36 2008-08-07 9:49 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

When we bought this house, it has sat empty for over a year.  There wasn't much of a yard to begin with.  Actually it looked much much worse as the weeds were over your knees. 

Last summer we did attempt to plant grass in the front.  This resulted in more weeds, mostly sand burs, than I would care to remember.  Found out I got ahold of some bad seed and returned it. (did a control test in a flower pot) 

With both of us being out of work for the past year, the yard has been the very last thing we  worry about.  We wondered more if we were going to keep the house than make the yard "pretty"  So I did the best I could keeping the weeds dead so at least no more new seed popped up.   With luck we should be able to sod when it cools down.  That should help choke out any of the remaining weeds.  City will just have to live with the brown and accept that not everyone has the cash to bend to their will.

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#37 2008-08-07 10:34 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

I know, I know. I'm just ribbing cause the yard is is pretty sad shape plant wise but not much worse than a lot of yards after a fairly bad drought. Wish I could send you some of our excess water. Much more rain and we'll need a seaweed eater.

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#38 2008-08-08 10:56 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Seems like they could be more lenient with the drought. Any neighbors with nice, well-watered laws? They're probably the jerks that complained.

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#39 2008-08-08 10:27 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Most of the neighbors have beautiful lawns and baby them almost daily, however there are a few yards that look worse than ours believe it or not.  One of the neighbors said he saw the a guy driving around the neighborhood.  There was at least one other house we know of got a notice so who knows maybe someone complained about one of the two and the idiot just decided to make both our days miserable. 

We are on good terms with all the neighbors, although that doesn't mean they didn't do it.  I think the city is just out looking for way sot pay for all the free stuff they promised to the DNC......but that's another thread

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#40 2008-08-09 2:26 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Solution to future issues : Get some cheap gravel, move it around every weekend.  Its ZEN, not bad gardening.


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#41 2008-08-09 11:17 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Here in Florida, we're restricted to when 20 min or 1" every watering, which ever is less, 2 waterings per week before 10 AM & after 4 PM as needed. It's suggested we water less if it rains & use rain sensors.

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#42 2008-08-10 12:47 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Rocks are good, if you like heat.  They seem to make the house seem hotter, and I like pretty green things.

In Denver we can water (not sure if there's a rule to how long) between 6pm an 9am  only on our watering day which is like 2 or 3 days a week.  Still, if we water, only weeds come up now, so there's no point.  We are allowed to water during the day if we put in new sod or seed.   We've decided to sod once it cools down.  It's too hot to plant

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#43 2008-08-10 1:30 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

This reminds me of the time my house in Hawaii received a notice of crappy lawn maintenance. (No silly fees though). I took plant killer and defoliated the entire yard. I used 4 or 5 times the suggested amount as well. The other yards were green and luscious and mine was a dead zone. Grass, grass, dirt, grass. I never got a ticket again.

Hell it is probably still a dead zone 3 years later.


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#44 2008-08-10 7:04 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Denali, it's not that hot, relatively, in Denver. Come down to Dallas if you want to feel hot.


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#45 2008-08-10 8:55 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

All this bitching, and yet she hasn't gotten a rake, already. tongue

Yeesh!

Seriously, though...the finers need to get a grip.


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#46 2008-08-10 8:55 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

It doesn't matter what the house looked like before you bought it. You own it now and more than likely one of your neighbors complained. You yourself said most of the neighbors keep beautifully manicured yards. They aren't going to want their property value to go down because of a few houses on the block. You had cement blocks in the yard in full view of anyone, a dead lawn and judging by that picture, a truck parked in the yard.

Public right of way could mean the weeds (or any plants) that extend over the sidewalk. I think here in San Jose the law says plants of any kind can't extend over the sidewalk more than 4 or 6 inches. If that's what they're talking about, it's easily remedied with a hoe.


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#47 2008-08-10 9:16 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

I agree with some of the other posters, nuke everything with something as deadly to plants as Agent Orange, then cover with sand or gravel and call it a Zen garden if someone still complains nod

BTW, one of my friends here in Hawaii actually has a yard surrounding his house that is all gravel, it sound like it would look like hell but it doesn't look that bad shrug the only bad point is his dogs really enjoy burying stuff in the gravel, so it has small potholes here and there hmm

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#48 2008-08-10 10:51 pm

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

Thrica wrote:

arkayn wrote:

Denali wrote:

Get this $100 fee to appeal.  :tongue:  Kiss my smurf

Like I said,

Thrica wrote:

I think Denali is saying she's going to appeal the $100 fine, not that it costs $100 to appeal.

You have reading comprehension issues.


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#49 2008-08-11 1:52 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

justine wrote:

The city fined her for blight. She's lucky they didn't send someone out to clean it up and then send her a bill.

Generally they have to give the resident opportunity to take care of it first, unless it is an imminent safety hazard (such as pans of antifreeze left out in the yard).


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#50 2008-08-11 8:30 am

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Re: Fined for having a bad looking yard

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect close neighbors to keep their yards looking nice.  Calling the city might be a bit extreme without talking to them first, but of course many people don't like getting into that kind of confrontation.


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