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ShnickyShnack wrote:

There's no way in hell the US would get involved in this militarily.

If America's relationship with georgia is to mean anything, and Russia and its clients (and future clients) are widely seen to be making a mockery of what it means for small nations to count themselves as America's ally, then I could see active U.S. military involvement. But it would take a willing Pentagon. I'm not sure the neo-cons or even Bush himself can count on a willing pentagon. Of course, with so much rivalry lately, the Air Force may decide it can go it alone. They have a lot of justifying to do of late, for various reasons, not all strictly military.

zeitgeist wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

zeitgeist wrote:

I don't think that there's much doubt.  Unless the US decides to call up the 101st Imaginary Airborne Division  they're just too overextended to take on another enemy... much less Russia.

The US happens to have this neat-o plane called the F-22, more than capable of giving the big G some air superiority breathing room.

Ah! Good.  I hadn't heard that they'd been fully automated, capbable of flying without pilots or ground support.

Perhaps you should take a look at their capabilities before opining on what they can and cant do.

Last edited by Steyr AUG (2008-08-10 10:04 am)

zeitgeist wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

zeitgeist wrote:

Ah! Good.  I hadn't heard that they'd been fully automated, capbable of flying without pilots or ground support.

Perhaps you should take a look at their capabilities before opining on what they can and cant do.

So they ARE capable of flying without pilots or ground crew?  I'd love to see a link for that one.

Even if they are, are they capable of bombing Russian assets without starting a war with Russia?  Which button do the auto-pilots press for that one?

You need to conduct more research.

www.google.com

Steyr AUG wrote:

www.google.com

That seems to bring me to a blank search page.  That's odd, because I'm sure you wouldn't make a claim as unexpected as the JesusPlane without being able to substantiate its existence with a link.

Steyr AUG wrote:

Well, keep staring at it until something happens.

Amazing!  Something did happen!  It miraculously brought me to the wikipedia page for the JesusPlane.  Must be another power endowed to the Messiah Air Platform that you hadn't yet mentioned...


Wikipedia F-22 JesusPlane

The Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22 Raptor is a fighter aircraft that uses stealth technology. It is primarily an air superiority fighter, but has multiple capabilities that include ground attack, electronic warfare, and signals intelligence roles. The United States Air Force considers the F-22 a critical component of the U.S. strike force.[1]

Faced with a protracted and costly development period, the aircraft was variously designated F-22 and F/A-22 during the three years before formally entering US Air Force service in December 2005, as the F-22A. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics is the prime contractor and is responsible for the majority of the airframe, weapon systems and final assembly of the F-22. Program partner Boeing Integrated Defense Systems provides the wings, aft fuselage, avionics integration, and all of the pilot and maintenance training systems.

The F-22 is claimed by multiple sources to be the world’s most effective air superiority fighter. The US Air Force states that the F-22 cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter aircraft.[1] Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, Chief of the Australian Defence Force, said in 2004 that the "F-22 will be the most outstanding fighter plane ever built."[5]

Odd, this article fails to mention its first-strike, no-retaliation, leper-healing, pilot-free performance button.  Then again, it is wikipedia. Someone must have edited it out.

Last edited by zeitgeist (2008-08-10 10:28 am)

Steyr AUG wrote:

Ah good, you finally found it. Source is a bit iffy, but itll do.

The F-22 is claimed by multiple sources to be the world’s most effective air superiority fighter. The US Air Force states that the F-22 cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter aircraft.

fits nicely with

The US happens to have this neat-o plane called the F-22, more than capable of giving the big G some air superiority breathing room.

Yeah, I noticed that when I searched for the link after you first posted about the F-22. 

As capable as it sounds I still fail to see where it says that it can fight a war against Russia, unmanned and unsupported. 

You answered my point, "the US doesn't have the manpower to fight another enemy, much less one as powerful as Russia" by suggesting that it was possible because of the existence of a single model of airplane. 

Where do you suggest the US get the pilots, launch platforms, mechanics, and assorted other support personnel?  Should they siphon off troops from Iraq or Afghanistan?  Start a draft?

The F-22 is impressive, but the JesusPlane it's not.  The troops have to come from somewhere.  There will be repercussions for any attack.

Meanwhile, back in Ossetia, Russia has taken the capital, has positioned warships off the coast of Abkhazia, (another separatist region of Georgia), and Georgians are pretty much screwed.

Ribtorus wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

One interesting thought I had: what if the Georgian government ran its plans for using its US-trained troops past the US ambassador?

That is to say, what if it was a sort of April Glaspie type situation? A semi-green light?

fixed link

Russia given a wink and a nod?

I don't think Putin needs winks and nods anymore.

No, Georgia given a wink and a nod. It was their quasi-offensive in South Ossetia that sparked the Russian reaction.

zeitgeist wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

How many F-22s are presently in service? Where would they be based to establish air superiority over Georgia?

In what scenario would introduction of those planes actually work, much less matter?

Or am I being foolish in trying to inject a bit of reality?

DO NOT QUESTION THE JESUSPLANE!

OMG

REDEMPTION

I NEED REDEMPTION

ShnickyShnack wrote:

zeitgeist wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

How many F-22s are presently in service? Where would they be based to establish air superiority over Georgia?

In what scenario would introduction of those planes actually work, much less matter?

Or am I being foolish in trying to inject a bit of reality?

DO NOT QUESTION THE JESUSPLANE!

OMG

REDEMPTION

I NEED REDEMPTION

Be of good cheer!  For redemption is at hand!



The JesusPlane forgives you!

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Holy smurf! That's what I call an airplane!

Dude, don't say 'smurf' in front of JesusPlane.