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#1 2008-08-08 9:27 pm

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LCD TV/Compy Monitors

I'm in the market, as it were, for an LCD device. Should I get one ( a LCD tv) that I can use as a computer monitor, or a computer monitor that has composite inputs? Also, any particular models you have had good experiences with? More than likely, I'd like it to be around $200, with 300 being the maximum. Ideally, I'd be going for around 19", since I'd use it when I move out for college.


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#2 2008-08-08 10:28 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.


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#3 2008-08-09 8:24 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

mrreet2001 wrote:

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.

...but, if you must, you can use an LCD computer monitor as a TV. That's not usually too bad.

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#4 2008-08-09 11:48 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

mrreet2001 wrote:

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.

wouldn't that depend on the TV?

I have a 1366*768 HDTV that I've occasionally used. But my computer can't use that resolution; only 1280*720. It looks fine in non scaled mode; it looks iffy in scaled mode.


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#5 2008-08-10 1:45 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

I **guess** if the TV was at least 720p and a 17" tv or smaller and it had DVI or HDMI it would look OK. Still a real computer monitor would probably look better.


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#6 2008-08-10 2:09 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

I have a Magnavox 15" "HDTV" that doubles as a 1024x768 VGA monitor.

It's a bit dim as a computer monitor, but it works fine with my mini, Gamecube, analog cable, etc., etc.


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#7 2008-08-10 4:14 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

dvpierce wrote:

I have a Magnavox 15" "HDTV" that doubles as a 1024x768 VGA monitor.

It's a bit dim as a computer monitor, but it works fine with my mini, Gamecube, analog cable, etc., etc.

I've the same thing, hooked to a Mac Mini and an XBox. I'm surprised at how good it looks. Yeah, a bit dim on the mini, but good enough for DVD playback and light gaming -I was surprised to see that something like Fable was more than just playable at that size and screen res.


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#8 2008-08-10 4:57 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

mrreet2001 wrote:

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.

The 37" 1920x1080 DVI setup always works well!

MacMini + Acer DTV


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#9 2008-08-10 7:23 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

mrreet2001 wrote:

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.

I still agree with you mrreet. Currently, I've got a mini hooked up to my 32" Sharp Aquos via DVI and I would definitely not consider it usable as anything more than a media center. Maybe my standards are just high tho.

My biggest issue with it is that the TV signal and the computer signal look best at completely different calibrations. This TV doesn't allow different calibrations for different inputs so I have it calibrated as a TV and just deal with the computer's wonkyness. I did try to get the signal better for use as a computer and while I did get it better I could never get it to the color quality, brightness, and contrast I'm used to from a real computer monitor.

Mine is running at it's native 1366 X 768, unscaled, through high quality cable but I've also gotten to try this with a couple 1080 LG TVs. The higher res is definitely a plus but they still have the same color issues.

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#10 2008-08-10 8:48 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

reece_james wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.

The 37" 1920x1080 DVI setup always works well!

MacMini + Acer DTV

Pixels the size of baseballs. blush


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#11 2008-08-11 9:16 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

Toshiba 42 inch LCD 1920 by 1080.  HDMI connection.

More pixels is the key for a good monitor.

Looks real good to me.  Not perfect but very usable.  But I do sit about 4 to 5 feet (1.2 to 1.5 meter) back from it.

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#12 2008-08-11 11:44 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

We used 7 in our photo and document forensic work on a construction case. Always in dual monitor setups, with a regular monitor as the "system" monitor, and the larger one foe viewing by usually more than one person at once during the study. Variety of models, 26 to 34 inch in size (one 42, specifically for the court room), and HD capable to some degree, usually with a horizontal pixel count in the 1300 range for computer work (not including the 42, of course, which was around 1900). They worked very well in depositions and such where lawyers (of which there were far too many!) could read text documents.

But as desktop monitors, there are really a bit rough, lack resolution, and have artifacts, especially in showing text. they are also very susceptible to "burning" images into their screens, though not permanently, though when we used some that had been used for a lot of fixed text and graphics, we had to "condition" them for a couple days before the depos by playing pictures on them so the ghosts would go away. Also, we ultimately had 4 failures out of seven units over about 2 years, always in the power supplies. Fixed a couple, now they are 'retired" and back in use in other areas a good TV's. We will take them back when we move to the courtroom phase of the trial, and then retire them again. We now use real monitors exclusively in the office.

So I would not use a TV as a monitor if I used the computer most of the time (TV second), but a monitor almost always makes an excellent TV. I have watched several movies on my Apple 30" with headphones, not even bothering to get up and watch it on my very good 60 in in the living room.

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#13 2008-08-12 12:28 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

pottymouth wrote:

My biggest issue with it is that the TV signal and the computer signal look best at completely different calibrations. This TV doesn't allow different calibrations for different inputs so I have it calibrated as a TV and just deal with the computer's wonkyness. I did try to get the signal better for use as a computer and while I did get it better I could never get it to the color quality, brightness, and contrast I'm used to from a real computer monitor.

That's to be expected. IIRC monitors are calibrated to produce full black at 100% modulation, TVs at 75%- higher levels produce a 'blacker than black' image. This throws off brightness, contrast and color saturation. Computer hardware and software designed to receive TV signals compensate for this, but connected directly, values will be considerably off. Plus

dvpierce wrote:

Pixels the size of baseballs. blush

...that. Viewing distance bcomes very important.


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#14 2008-08-12 7:25 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

Thanks for the insights. I had an epiphany~what if i just bought a tv capture device that had the composite inputs, and plugged in a monitor that way?


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#15 2008-08-12 9:19 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

There are lots of choices about how to feed a normal TV from your computer. I am trying to make the same decision myself.


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#16 2008-08-12 9:24 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

USS Promethius wrote:

Thanks for the insights. I had an epiphany~what if i just bought a tv capture device that had the composite inputs, and plugged in a monitor that way?

You would get MUCH better results if you used VGA, DVI, or HDMI

and ... you would need to find a "tv capture device" that had composite OUTPUTS

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#17 2008-08-12 11:11 am

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

How do you figure? I'd get a device, such as the eyeTV, plug it <i>into</i> my mac, use the composites to plug my ps2/wii/whatever into, and use my mac's screen as a display.


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#18 2008-08-12 1:58 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

You said you were going to plug the monitor into the tv capture device (the way I read it).

And to answer your question ... that option is not very good for gaming as there is usually a lag.


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#19 2008-08-12 3:43 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

mrreet2001 wrote:

...that option is not very good for gaming as there is usually a lag.

QFT. Even the tiniest bit of lag is going to make gaming aggravating.

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#20 2008-08-12 4:58 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

pottymouth wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

...that option is not very good for gaming as there is usually a lag.

QFT. Even the tiniest bit of lag is going to make gaming aggravating.

I though those things had a "game mode" or something.

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#21 2008-08-12 6:46 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

dvpierce wrote:

reece_james wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

DO NOT USE A LCD TV as a monitor. It looks horrible.

The 37" 1920x1080 DVI setup always works well!

MacMini + Acer DTV

Pixels the size of baseballs. blush

I think you'd find it's close to 72 dpi. (Where's Parah when you need him...)

37" 1920x1080 is about as large as you could go, without a higher resolution.


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#22 2008-08-12 8:04 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

More like 60, if my math is right. Actual dimensions of a 37 incher would be about 18.2 X 32.2. Not quite baseballs wink but nowhere near the 100-110 I've gotten used to with Apple displays.

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#23 2008-08-12 8:45 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

By comparison, most 1920x1200 monitors are 24"ers, 30" are 2560x1600.


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#24 2008-08-12 8:48 pm

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You mean my 30" ACD has pixels???? wink

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#25 2008-08-12 8:49 pm

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Re: LCD TV/Compy Monitors

pottymouth wrote:

More like 60, if my math is right. Actual dimensions of a 37 incher would be about 18.2 X 32.2. Not quite baseballs wink but nowhere near the 100-110 I've gotten used to with Apple displays.

Still, not unusable and certainly should not be dismissed. 37" Seems to be the happy medium. HL2 Episode 2 looks stunning on it. (Though the iMac averages 5fps when all said and done)


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