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Well, the US has already made its point that a regime change is a bad thing to do (and everyone thought Bush didnt learn anything from Iraq!).

I think it would be just peachy if Russia left a few bases in Georgia.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

How much leverage does the West have with Russia? Especially when we have our pet obsessions with places like Iran, which Russia is still doing business with -- and which Moscow could make even messier than they already are.

Obviously not much.

Will Bush, Cheney and the neo-cons in charge* actually grow a pair and honour their claimed committment to Georgian democracy and independence?

*There's plenty of cheerleaders and pundits who can afford to be bellicose knowing it's unlikely their shouts will be acted on. But they can at least say they held to their guns, even if the leadership didn't.

I wonder how loud Putin is laughing.

I wonder when Ahmedinijad takes his next trip to Moscow.

Neo-cons are such smurf-ups.

Tallgeese wrote:

I think we should wait until they've carved sections out and replaced leaders in Ukraine, Poland, and two or three Stans before we wag our fingers too hard. After all, maps aren't important.

At least try to make your trolling make sense.

Tallgeese wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

I think we should wait until they've carved sections out and replaced leaders in Ukraine, Poland, and two or three Stans before we wag our fingers too hard. After all, maps aren't important.

At least try to make your trolling make sense.

It must have made sense to you if you interpreted it as trolling.

A thread about Georgia and a grumpy reference to maps. Doesn't take a genius, I'm afraid. Unfortunately in this context it was completely nonsensical.

I don't see how Russia's actions are any worse than what we do on a continual basis around the world.

EDIT: The fact that they are dealing with an immediate local threat makes it that much more understandable...a powerful empire never tolerates open hostility on its borders and overwhelming violent retribution is utterly standard.  (Doesn't mean I agree with it BTW, just wondering what right we (in the US) have to criticize when we have done far worse to neighboring nations that threatened to start independent populist democracies that don't serve our commercial interests.

Last edited by Metacell (2008-08-14 12:04 pm)

hee-hee....probably saving the general population from a corrupt military coup.

Metacell wrote:

I don't see how Russia's actions are any worse than what we do on a continual basis around the world.

EDIT: The fact that they are dealing with an immediate local threat makes it that much more understandable...a powerful empire never tolerates open hostility on its borders and overwhelming violent retribution is utterly standard.  (Doesn't mean I agree with it BTW, just wondering what right we (in the US) have to criticize when we have done far worse to neighboring nations that threatened to start independent populist democracies that don't serve our commercial interests.

Whether or not America's crimes give them "the right" to say anything, what Russia is doing is wrong. I refuse to accept the "if you do something bad, you give up the ability to pressure someone else about their bad actions" line of thought.

i don't think the USA should get involved at all.  and we need to pull our military bases out of every other country while we're at it.

Tallgeese wrote:

Yes, isolationism worked SO well for us in the past.

Indeed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561926.stm

US and Poland agree shield deal
The US and Poland have agreed a preliminary deal on plans for the controversial US defence shield, Warsaw has announced.

The plan would see the US base 10 missile interceptors in Poland in exchange for help strengthening Polish defences, said PM Donald Tusk.

The scheme is highly controversial and has been opposed by Russia.

Poland is reported to have demanded security help after Moscow threatened to target its missiles at the bases.

The Polish Foreign Ministry told the PAP news agency that the deal would be signed at 1800 GMT.

The US signed a deal with the Czech Republic in July to base tracking radars there as part of the missile defence system.

Washington says it needs the system to protect itself and Europe from missile attack by what it calls rogue states, such as Iran. The US wants the sites to be in operation by about 2012.

Russia has expressed concern about the system in the past, with one official saying the deal "complicates" global security.

How stupid they can be/get?