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Chickenhawk wrote:

Who is bernie sanders?

I would guess
http://sanders.senate.gov/

everlong205 wrote:

And back to foreign policy, here's the guy who is supposedly so smart and experienced and yet HE VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR!

It's true, he did.  In fact, his son is being deployed there.

But hey, you keep up all the hard work you're doing on that front.  Constantly shrieking about how all those that disagree with your position are "surrender monkeys" (military families and all) must be terribly exhausting.

Metacell wrote:

Far out, a leader who isn't looking for lockstep conformity.

Yeah, downright Libermanish.

everlong205 wrote:

Not everyone who disagrees with the war is a surrender monkey. However, there is a good chunk of dems and those on the left that, in fact, are. And if the cap fits, let them wear it.

(and for the record, I wouldn't call Biden necessarily a surrender monkey, just a fool)

What a fascinating distinction lacking any difference whatsoever.

There are a good number of Americans who do not believe the continued expenditure of money and lives has been worth it nor will continue to be worth it.  It's likely also difficult for those who have opposed the thing to begin with (and whose position was ultimately vindicated by the FACTS ON THE GROUND) to support dumping more money into it at any point. Perhaps they're wrong--I'm torn on the correct answer to this question. 

Either way, the "surrender" line is a lazy talking point--and strikes me as particularly stupid when I know that your repeated use of it obviously encompasses individuals who, unlike you, have done some of the heavy lifting. 

But hey, keep to the low road if that suits you.

bedstuy wrote:

"surrender monkey" "nazi warmonger" -- all language of an extremist, no matter which side.  What's enlightening is that everlong tries to present himself as some lofty social critic of such phenomena while employing that same language -- of course, he's only criticizing one side.

Does it really get any more laughably transparent?

O'Reilly-like.

There is a significant contingent of antiwar types who would love nothing better for the US to just give up, regardless of the consequences. For them, the Surrender line fits

Yet Stormfront doesnt get nearly as much play as Code Pink, Not in Our Name, IVAW and all the other little anti-war tea parties/coffee klatches.

bratboy wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Yet Stormfront doesnt get nearly as much play as Code Pink, Not in Our Name, IVAW and all the other little anti-war tea parties/coffee klatches.

I would imagine that the majority of Americans who have a negative impression of the war or of our continued presence in Iraq probably aren't members of any of those groups that you mentioned.

Your use of the emasculating 'little tea parties/coffee klatches' was a nice, mature touch though.  What a bunch of sissies, those IVAW.

One wonders whether the tone of bitterness is based on traumatic personal experience.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Yet Stormfront doesnt get nearly as much play as Code Pink, Not in Our Name, IVAW and all the other little anti-war tea parties/coffee klatches.

I would imagine that the majority of Americans who have a negative impression of the war or of our continued presence in Iraq probably aren't members of any of those groups that you mentioned.

Your use of the emasculating 'little tea parties/coffee klatches' was a nice, mature touch though.  What a bunch of sissies, those IVAW.

One wonders whether the tone of bitterness is based on traumatic personal experience.

Styr is just defending his gravy train, it's to be expected.

Steyr AUG wrote:

jerwin wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Yet Stormfront doesnt get nearly as much play as Code Pink, Not in Our Name, IVAW and all the other little anti-war tea parties/coffee klatches.

It's klatsch, by the way.

That would be a variant form of the term. Klatch is still accurate

Guess I hang around in the wrong circles.

Biden's gonna be a rabble-rouser as VP. He'll be assigned to overhaul/fix much of the 'legacy'. Reporters will probe about reasons for such-and-such, and he'll say "Barack told me to get this done." (Whatever 'this' issue is at the time.)

His foreign policy knowledge don't hurt either.

One 'downside' is that the Senate Foreign Relations loses the Chair and a majority member. That makes the seats being contested a bit more valuable for both sides.