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#26 2008-08-26 1:11 pm
Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
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Well, they need to lower their standards more.
Haiti: "At least it's not New Orleans!"
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#27 2008-08-26 1:21 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
Metacell wrote:
sturner wrote:
Well, they need to lower their standards more.
Haiti: "At least it's not New Orleans!"
That would be one way to deflect Haitians from the fact that while they are eating dirt cookies , NOLA residents are eating MRE's. Admittedly, MRE's are only a step up - but at least they are digestible.
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#28 2008-08-26 3:36 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
I was in NO a few months after Katrina. I stayed at the Marriott right next to Harrahs, at least I think it was a Marriott. Anyhow, we mostly stayed in the French Quarter and the Garden District. From what I saw neither of those places were affected at all. Down the street a few blocks is a different story.
Most of the bartenders I spoke to actually were pleased that Katrina happened. It was a cleansing.
I would miss NO if it fell of the earth. I've had some good times there. Never attended a Mardi Gras, but any place that lets me take my drink to go, well that's just a little slice of heaven.
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#29 2008-08-26 3:57 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
zoees wrote:
I was in NO a few months after Katrina. I stayed at the Marriott right next to Harrahs, at least I think it was a Marriott. Anyhow, we mostly stayed in the French Quarter and the Garden District. From what I saw neither of those places were affected at all. Down the street a few blocks is a different story.
[snip]
Those parts of New Orleans are above flooding from Lake Ponchartrain and thus were not directly affected by the breaks in the levee walls. Had Katrina hit New Orleans closer to straight on then they might have had the same story.
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#30 2008-08-26 9:16 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
D'Eyncourt wrote:
zoees wrote:
I was in NO a few months after Katrina. I stayed at the Marriott right next to Harrahs, at least I think it was a Marriott. Anyhow, we mostly stayed in the French Quarter and the Garden District. From what I saw neither of those places were affected at all. Down the street a few blocks is a different story.
[snip]Those parts of New Orleans are above flooding from Lake Ponchartrain and thus were not directly affected by the breaks in the levee walls. Had Katrina hit New Orleans closer to straight on then they might have had the same story.
I know all that, thanks. I was just pointing out how most of the people, who were working, were pretty happy about the recent clearance.
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've been so credulous. -Carl Sagan
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#31 2008-08-27 8:32 am
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
C'mon Gustav. ..you can do it.
" ...But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
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#32 2008-08-27 11:13 am
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Rex '84!
No. More like "(Bitter)Sweet 17".
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#33 2008-08-27 12:19 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
macnuke wrote:
C'mon Gustav. ..you can do it.
Don't say that!
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#34 2008-08-27 1:19 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
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macnuke wrote:
C'mon Gustav. ..you can do it.
Don't say that!
Shnick. it's gunna hit somewhere.
you know dam good and well that I have always stated Rita should have been the second flush on N.O. to make sure it all went down the pipe.
so if I had my druthers.
" ...But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
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#35 2008-08-27 1:39 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
macnuke wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
macnuke wrote:
C'mon Gustav. ..you can do it.
Don't say that!
Shnick. it's gunna hit somewhere.
you know dam good and well that I have always stated Rita should have been the second flush on N.O. to make sure it all went down the pipe.
so if I had my druthers.
What kind of repairs have they carried out on the levees, do you know?
I find myself wondering what sort of hits they can take (and whether your hopes will be realized).
Actually I understand your feelings on this. Personally I want there to still be a New Orleans, but I think it should be way smaller. Stop pretending it's a "normal" city in a "normal" setting. Keep the French Quarter and downtown and bulldoze the rest.
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#36 2008-08-27 2:04 pm
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In at least one part of the levee system around New Orleans the contractor building the levee was caught stuffing the walls with newspaper.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#37 2008-08-27 2:06 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
ShnickyShnack wrote:
[snip]
Personally I want there to still be a New Orleans, but I think it should be way smaller. Stop pretending it's a "normal" city in a "normal" setting. Keep the French Quarter and downtown and bulldoze the rest.
You want a "Disney" version of New Orleans? You can get that at both Disneyland and Disney World.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#38 2008-08-27 2:19 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
D'Eyncourt wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
[snip]
Personally I want there to still be a New Orleans, but I think it should be way smaller. Stop pretending it's a "normal" city in a "normal" setting. Keep the French Quarter and downtown and bulldoze the rest.You want a "Disney" version of New Orleans? You can get that at both Disneyland and Disney World.
I want a version of New Orleans that's viable.
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#39 2008-08-27 2:21 pm
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According to a few shows I've seen on Discovery Channel, they replaced and reenforced the core components of the existing levies and then built upon them in an attempt to prevent them get overtopped in the future.
A fair concern
Or better yet relocate and/or raise the rest so it doesn't automatically turn into a lake if the levees are insufficient.
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#40 2008-08-27 2:27 pm
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In at least one part of the levee system around New Orleans the contractor building the levee was caught stuffing the walls with newspaper.
That smurf needs to go to jail and be replaced with someone trustworthy and competent.
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#41 2008-08-27 2:35 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
the levees are in just as good of shape as they were prior to Katrina. no better as the only parts really worked on was the broken areas and anything within photo op of the repairs.
I would much prefer an eastbank mississippi river levee failure just north of town.
I don't think they would recover much from that one.
most would be in Cuba before slowing down.
but if Gustav gives em a good flushing... it's ok with me and many others that feel the same.
besides... being tagged as a gustav-katrina victim would be too much of a pain in the ass to type out often or say often.
let's just hope they get the welfare checks out before it hits so everyone can leave this time.
you think the Katrina influx that did not raise the crime rate in houston/dallas/atlanta and a few other cities was supposedly bad.
just wait until the gustav/katrina displaced citizens come to a neighborhood near you.
" ...But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
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#42 2008-08-27 2:43 pm
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Re: Solders still patrolling New Orleans post Katrina
ShnickyShnack wrote:
D'Eyncourt wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
[snip]
Personally I want there to still be a New Orleans, but I think it should be way smaller. Stop pretending it's a "normal" city in a "normal" setting. Keep the French Quarter and downtown and bulldoze the rest.You want a "Disney" version of New Orleans? You can get that at both Disneyland and Disney World.
I want a version of New Orleans that's viable.
I'm afraid that that such a viable city will include a good portion of the part that you want to bulldozed.
BOYCOTT SONY
"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992
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#43 2008-08-27 4:57 pm
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If they turn The French Quarter into a smurfing family friendly, bullsmurf copy of Orlando then smurf it, I'll never step foot in NO again.
Unfortunately for everyone there they spent their budgets on prisons for profit, smurf of overtime, lots of cool toys for their police forces instead of the things that could have prevented and possibly saved a lot of those people and their properties. They are people, mostly criminal, but people none-the-less.
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#44 2008-08-27 6:18 pm
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They should just move the French Quarter to Atlanta.
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#45 2008-08-28 8:42 am
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ahh yes. the French Quarter...
where else in the world can you hang out with a landfills worth of plastic beer cups littered about the streets so heavily you can hardly see the pavement beneath except where the not so occasional drunk is laying in the doorway in a pool of his own urine.
the heavenly scent of stale beer and urine permeating the hot and humid atmosphere laced with the smells of sweat of unwashed bodies and the underlying hint of cooking from the local restaurants.
and to think you used to be able to bring the family anywhere in the quarter with no worries and good times.
C'mon Gustav 
" ...But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
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#46 2008-08-28 8:59 am
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ahh yes. the French Quarter...
where else in the world can you hang out with a landfills worth of plastic beer cups littered about the streets so heavily you can hardly see the pavement beneath except where the not so occasional drunk is laying in the doorway in a pool of his own urine.
the heavenly scent of stale beer and urine permeating the hot and humid atmosphere laced with the smells of sweat of unwashed bodies and the underlying hint of cooking from the local restaurants.
and to think you used to be able to bring the family anywhere in the quarter with no worries and good times.
C'mon Gustav
The place was originally populated by criminals and prostitutes, go figure. Was it ever Family Friendly?
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#47 2008-08-28 9:22 am
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yes actually.
my parents used to bring us over from west bank and we shopped the various little stores, had lunch and listened to jazz.
mardi gras was always a blast and no one was required to show tits to get beads and doubloons.
it was catch as you can without any fighting over loot.
when I was 15 and 16 some friends and I used to take the canal street ferry over and go to Cosmo's .
we were all 5"10" or better and minded our manner like our parents taught us.
Cosmo's was a bar where we played pool and listened to live jazz and shared a pitcher of beer. ( not like our parents taught us)
our curfew was the fact that the last ferry was midnight.
so we hadda be there for that.
dam good times back then.
" ...But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
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#48 2008-08-28 9:50 am
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Um, I hate to bring down this fascinating trip down memory lane, but there are, and were, only a handful of "touristy" spots in NOLA. If you go just a few blocks past Bourbon street, you will find yourself in a VERY bad part of town. I'm not talking slightly bad, like the Bronx; I'm talking about bad like the DC suburbs, Memphis near the airport, or Baltimore near Johns Hopkins. New Orleans was my first experience seeing criminals operating openly on the streets, and this was pre-Katrina.
There are some nice parts of New Orleans, where you can enjoy graceful Victorian style homes and beautiful gardens. Jackson square, in the daylight, is pretty nice as well. Lake Ponchartrain is a true natural wonder - which I got to play in during a competition down there. I also immensely enjoyed the food. I haven't had oysters on a half-shell, or shrimp gumbo, that good since.
But let's get real. NOLA has always been home to seedy characters - and no amount of plastering is going to cover that up.
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#49 2008-08-28 10:13 am
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true
it's never been a holy city. but staying away from "That part of town" was a hell of alot easier back then when it was a much smaller area and not the whole dam city like it pretty much is.
" ...But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
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#50 2008-08-28 10:14 am
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macnuke wrote:
ahh yes. the French Quarter...
where else in the world can you hang out with a landfills worth of plastic beer cups littered about the streets so heavily you can hardly see the pavement beneath except where the not so occasional drunk is laying in the doorway in a pool of his own urine.
the heavenly scent of stale beer and urine permeating the hot and humid atmosphere laced with the smells of sweat of unwashed bodies and the underlying hint of cooking from the local restaurants.
and to think you used to be able to bring the family anywhere in the quarter with no worries and good times.
C'mon Gustav
Dude, how could you leave out the transvestite strippers!?
...having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of '76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions and moneyed incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry. -- TJ
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