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#1 2008-09-04 4:40 am
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Adobe CS4 coming soon
GRAPHICS AND IMAGING giant Adobe will webcast a preview of its new Creative Suite 4 package, which includes Photoshop, Dreamweaver and Indesign amongst others, on 23 September.
Details of the event were let slip on the Flash Blog early yesterday and an official link has now appeared on Adobe's Web Site. You can register here to be one of the select millions who will see the promo live, but we suspect all and sundry will be able to see the whole thing all over the Interwibble within hours of the official hoo haa anyway.
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#2 2008-09-04 6:23 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
are they going to make lightroom part of the creative suite this time?
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#3 2008-09-04 8:12 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
I got to see some demos a few months ago. They mostly focused on web stuff (Flash integration, AIR, Digital Editions) but there's some kick-ass stuff going on on the print side as well, which is more what I'm interested in. Can't wait to try it all out but I'm really not looking forward to once again having to convince my clients to upgrade. 
Donkey Butter wrote:
are they going to make lightroom part of the creative suite this time?
Nope. I asked specifically about Lightroom and was told that it would remain on it's own for the foreseeable future.
And purely speculation, but I'm expecting some enhanced online editing tools now that they've picked up Buzzword. Ohhhh that could make my life so much easier.
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#4 2008-09-04 9:33 am
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Adobe is out of control and I wish they rally had some competition.
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#5 2008-09-04 11:00 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
And Mac isn't getting 64-bit memory support untill, what, CS5?
It needs to be FAAAASSTTTEEEEEERRRRR...
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#6 2008-09-04 11:07 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
Man I just got 80+ macs imaged with CS3. We are NOT upgrading anytime soon.
Have you tried repairing permissions?
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#7 2008-09-06 11:36 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
pottymouth wrote:
I got to see some demos a few months ago. They mostly focused on web stuff (Flash integration, AIR, Digital Editions) but there's some kick-ass stuff going on on the print side as well, which is more what I'm interested in.
IMHO, they really need to work on their web apps. When you look at CS3, the old Macromedia apps clearly got the short end of the stick. Moreover, things like Flex and Air probably offer Adobe the most opportunity for growth. 
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#8 2008-09-08 9:38 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
pottymouth wrote:
Can't wait to try it all out but I'm really not looking forward to once again having to convince my clients to upgrade.
As a print provider, I'm not looking forward to having to support 3-4 versions of Adobe apps now, since some clients will update & some won't. Sucks to be all of us, for different reasons eh? 
Ah well, at least the one thing we can count on Adobe for is a more bloated, memory hogging Suite so I can request new hardware!
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#9 2008-09-09 4:26 am
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dvpierce wrote:
And Mac isn't getting 64-bit memory support untill, what, CS5?
I seem to recall someone at Ars Technica saying that that's due to Apple ditching the 64-bit version of Carbon so until Adobe re-code the UI in Cocoa there'll be no 64-bit apps.
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#10 2008-09-09 8:06 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
I wish they'd occasionally fix the smurf that's wrong with their current programs instead of constantly churning out "new" versions.
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#11 2008-09-09 12:26 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
I wish I could upgrade my education version of CS ... 
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#12 2008-09-19 2:39 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
EAGLE EYED WIBBLE WATCHERS over at Apple Insider have managed to grab some screen shots of Adobe's Indesign CS4 before the folks at Amazon realised the error of their ways and swiftly canned the pages.
The screenies give pretty comprehensive details of what to expect from the Quark-bating DTP package and a swift skim reveals that the new iteration is all about convergeance between traditional on-paper publishing and newer, smarter media.
So if you really can't wait until the official launch on September 23rd, you can get the skinny a couple of days early over here.
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#13 2008-09-23 8:05 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
Oh and if you're not watching it already, CS4 Launch live right now
http://www.adobe.com/special/cs4event/
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#14 2008-09-23 2:59 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
dvpierce wrote:
And Mac isn't getting 64-bit memory support untill, what, CS5?
It needs to be FAAAASSTTTEEEEEERRRRR...
How 'bout this?
New Photoshop CS4 to ship in October and use the power of the GPU
GPU makers have been busy convincing consumers that the GPU is able to do more than just visually enhance video games. NVIDIA announced its CUDA architecture that allows all sorts of applications to run on the GPU rather than the CPU. Performance for things like video rendering and computation are much faster when using the GPU.
The problem for NVIDIA with the push for people to try these other applications has been that the applications that would run on the GPU were not the programs most people wanted to use. The lack of a name brand application has changed now with Adobe announcing that the latest version of Photoshop, CS4, will take advantage of the power offered by the GPU for the first time.
Adobe will use the GPU to allow more fluidity in zooming in and out on an image, rotating the canvas, and displaying and manipulating 3D objects. CS4 will also use the GPU to handle color correction.
If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion - George Bernard Shaw
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#15 2008-09-23 9:53 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
It looks like this is an upgrade I will actually care about. Adobe is finally going to start remedying Macromedia's disaster UI Flash, Illustrator will finally support multiple art boards, the GPU is actually going to be taken advantage of, etc.
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#16 2008-09-25 1:52 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
and now just to save the cash
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#17 2008-09-25 2:44 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
Bat wrote:
dvpierce wrote:
And Mac isn't getting 64-bit memory support untill, what, CS5?
It needs to be FAAAASSTTTEEEEEERRRRR...How 'bout this?
New Photoshop CS4 to ship in October and use the power of the GPU
GPU makers have been busy convincing consumers that the GPU is able to do more than just visually enhance video games. NVIDIA announced its CUDA architecture that allows all sorts of applications to run on the GPU rather than the CPU. Performance for things like video rendering and computation are much faster when using the GPU.
The problem for NVIDIA with the push for people to try these other applications has been that the applications that would run on the GPU were not the programs most people wanted to use. The lack of a name brand application has changed now with Adobe announcing that the latest version of Photoshop, CS4, will take advantage of the power offered by the GPU for the first time.
Adobe will use the GPU to allow more fluidity in zooming in and out on an image, rotating the canvas, and displaying and manipulating 3D objects. CS4 will also use the GPU to handle color correction.
Great.
Adobe wrote:
Hey, Anybody With IGPs! smurf You!
Seems like a nice bonus, but if you can't get your software running well on two or four cores, adding 16 more is just plain cheating.
Multiple Artboards would be nice though... :drool:
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#18 2008-09-25 4:46 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
looks like there are going to be tabs in photoshop.
there are a few videos of some of the new features over at russellbrown.com
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#19 2008-09-30 3:23 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
GPU support is very nice, rotation, zooming etc real time without delays.
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#20 2008-09-30 4:42 am
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Photoshop's 32 bit memory addressing is beginning to look awfully puny in a market with high end digital cameras producing individual pictures of well over a gig in size.
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#21 2008-10-01 12:12 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
Don't get too excited about the new GPU support, as the Open GL implementation in CS4 requires a the latest cards in your rig to take full advantage of the new tech. Most older cards will be shut out.
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#22 2008-10-01 2:52 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
'Most' by production numbers, possibly. By model, no.
The suggestion is for a chip/card that supports Shader Model 3.0, OpenGL 2.0, and that has 128M VRAM on board. Most mid-high level cards of the last few years meet those reqs.
The lastest cards implement SM4.0 or 4.1, and their Win drivers are beginning to roll out support for OpenGL 3.0.
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#23 2008-10-01 3:40 am
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
Pariah wrote:
Photoshop's 32 bit memory addressing is beginning to look awfully puny in a market with high end digital cameras producing individual pictures of well over a gig in size.
Ehh, a Cocoa version of CS5 is apparently on Adobe's roadmap, and if people reeeally can't wait another year or two, there's always Windows or the new version of Lightroom.
Personally, I think Adobe still has time before they absolutely -need- to have this thing 64bit native. A ton of people still have limiting hardware / devices.
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#24 2008-10-01 4:41 pm
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Aqua OS X wrote:
Pariah wrote:
Photoshop's 32 bit memory addressing is beginning to look awfully puny in a market with high end digital cameras producing individual pictures of well over a gig in size.
Ehh, a Cocoa version of CS5 is apparently on Adobe's roadmap, and if people reeeally can't wait another year or two, there's always Windows or the new version of Lightroom.
Personally, I think Adobe still has time before they absolutely -need- to have this thing 64bit native. A ton of people still have limiting hardware / devices.
Apple really does not need another reason for more graphics pros to ditch the platform. I don't have any hard numbers but my observation from being in the biz is that there has been a dramatic increase in Windows only shops the last 7 or 8 years.
Time was finding a Windows based graphics house was a rarity, now I would say it is easily 50/50 if not slightly tipped in favor of Windows.
12 years ago Adobe was shipping products with "Mac only" features. 6 years ago (or so) the two platforms became feature equal and today there is a distinct disadvantage on the Mac side.
Not a good trend I would say..
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#25 2008-10-02 5:16 pm
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Re: Adobe CS4 coming soon
Bah! Color Syncing is still easier and superior on the Mac. Unless that high-end camera is generating larger than 8bit files, I doubt they are a 1GB in size. Now I can easily see a multi-layered comp easily going over 1GB.
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