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#26 2008-09-05 2:48 pm

radarman
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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

bratboy wrote:

radarman wrote:

I forget whose sig it is, but the truth this there is a difference between being disappointed, and having a madman in the White House.

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Yeah, I realized it was you about the time I hit submit - but when I went to make the edit, my damn keyboard locked up. (I really hate Dells...)

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#27 2008-09-05 3:06 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Basically what the McCain campaign is saying is that Hillary can stand the heat and shouldn't cry foul if the media examines her closely.

But with Palin they should give her a by simply because she is a woman?

Isn't that a very cynical double standard?


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#28 2008-09-05 3:15 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

sturner wrote:

Basically what the McCain campaign is saying is that Hillary can stand the heat and shouldn't cry foul if the media examines her closely.

But with Palin they should give her a by simply because she is a woman?

Isn't that a very cynical double standard?

It can't possibly that she has a (scant) political record with some questions, can it? Naaah, the media is only attacking her because she is a woman.

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But I do agree with radarman: the fact that Wasilla (the town where she was mayor) is the meth capital of Alaska isn't much of an issue for or against Palin.

On radarman's second point: those supporting Obama are making it a point that any accusation from the right should not stand by itself for more than 24 hours (and preferably less) without a detailed rebuttal of some sort.


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#29 2008-09-05 4:07 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

bratboy wrote:

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.

Kinda like Obama four years ago.


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#30 2008-09-05 4:13 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Ah, but that was 4 years ago.


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#31 2008-09-05 4:57 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Different circumstances as well, as Palin has just been "introduced" as part of a national presidential ticket.


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#32 2008-09-05 5:10 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

I'll say one thing it indicates to me- that the unemployed and disenfranchised are getting looked over and left out in general. Its true that tons of small towns have meth problems, and thats the reason why. I love the way politicians are all about "CHANGE" so long as real problems the middle american vote they are going after have to deal with never get dealt with.


How can a person still have any hopes
who is addicted to what's superficial,
who grubs with greedy hand for treasures
and then is happy to discover earthworms! - Goethe

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#33 2008-09-05 5:15 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

I mean everything I'm seeing on left blogs everywhere.

They are really going after this gal.

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.

Notice the date on this article
http://www.newsweek.com/id/42534


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#34 2008-09-05 5:59 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Daddyo wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.

Kinda like Obama four years ago.

You mean Kerry selected him as the Democratic VP nominee in 2004? I must have missed that.


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#35 2008-09-05 6:04 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

I mean everything I'm seeing on left blogs everywhere.

They are really going after this gal.

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.

Notice the date on this article
http://www.newsweek.com/id/42534

Tell the truth: aside from those who are residents of Alaska, who here has heard of Sarah Palin before this past week or so? At the publication time of that Newsweek article (October 2007) up until recently Palin was still a cypher for almost everyone (including McCain from all appearances).


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"I think the question now is not whether you went to Vietnam or whether you didn't, whether you fought in the war or fought against the war. I think the only question is whether we can find a president smart enough never to make a mistake like that again"--Molly Ivins, way back in 1992

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#36 2008-09-05 6:09 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Honestly, I have to admit that I had heard of her. On McCain's wikipedia page for his capaign her name was on there so I googled it and there were a small bunch of blogs that wanted to see her on the ticket. I didnt really think she was a serious contender, but I wondered if maybe she was going to be a surprise.


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who is addicted to what's superficial,
who grubs with greedy hand for treasures
and then is happy to discover earthworms! - Goethe

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#37 2008-09-05 6:25 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

StaticAge wrote:

I'll say one thing it indicates to me- that the unemployed and disenfranchised are getting looked over and left out in general. Its true that tons of small towns have meth problems, and thats the reason why. I love the way politicians are all about "CHANGE" so long as real problems the middle american vote they are going after have to deal with never get dealt with.

Only the gullible actually bought that "change" crap. Everyone else is just deciding which is the lesser evil. Right now, Obama appears to be less evil than McCain - or at least less like George Bush.

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#38 2008-09-05 6:27 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems


"Perhaps if there were more Americans who had the courage to stand up to idiocy maybe we wouldn't have such an awful country." ~ VegasACF

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#39 2008-09-05 6:31 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

radarman wrote:

StaticAge wrote:

I'll say one thing it indicates to me- that the unemployed and disenfranchised are getting looked over and left out in general. Its true that tons of small towns have meth problems, and thats the reason why. I love the way politicians are all about "CHANGE" so long as real problems the middle american vote they are going after have to deal with never get dealt with.

Only the gullible actually bought that "change" crap. Everyone else is just deciding which is the lesser evil. Right now, Obama appears to be less evil than McCain - or at least less like George Bush.

Oh, totally. One party wants to rape you wearing a creepy stocking pulled over their head and the other party wants to rape you too but they have the decency to wear a nice superman mask while doing it. Those are the kind of differences that really matter in deciding between evils. Bend over American voter, we've got some lesser evil for you to take!

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How can a person still have any hopes
who is addicted to what's superficial,
who grubs with greedy hand for treasures
and then is happy to discover earthworms! - Goethe

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#40 2008-09-05 6:31 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Freakout Jackson wrote:

the view from wasilla

Well, that just makes Palin "Reagan-esque."


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#41 2008-09-05 6:36 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Freakout Jackson wrote:

the view from wasilla

Good lord. she's a reformer and a fiscal conservative on a Bushian scale!  this woman MUST be the next Vice President of the United States.  I wonder if she's a Cheney love child, secretly hidden away in Alaska... to be brought out only in the case of dire emergency wink


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#42 2008-09-05 6:38 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

Warin wrote:

Freakout Jackson wrote:

the view from wasilla

Good lord. she's a reformer and a fiscal conservative on a Bushian scale!  this woman MUST be the next Vice President of the United States.  I wonder if she's a Cheney love child, secretly hidden away in Alaska... to be brought out only in the case of dire emergency wink

Hey, at least she supports drilling in Alaska. We need that oil, and we need it NOW!

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#43 2008-09-05 6:41 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

radarman wrote:

Warin wrote:

Freakout Jackson wrote:

the view from wasilla

Good lord. she's a reformer and a fiscal conservative on a Bushian scale!  this woman MUST be the next Vice President of the United States.  I wonder if she's a Cheney love child, secretly hidden away in Alaska... to be brought out only in the case of dire emergency wink

Hey, at least she supports drilling in Alaska. We need that oil, and we need it NOW!

Proper link of photoshopped picture


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#44 2008-09-05 6:42 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

JakeTheTall wrote:

radarman wrote:

Warin wrote:


Good lord. she's a reformer and a fiscal conservative on a Bushian scale!  this woman MUST be the next Vice President of the United States.  I wonder if she's a Cheney love child, secretly hidden away in Alaska... to be brought out only in the case of dire emergency wink

Hey, at least she supports drilling in Alaska. We need that oil, and we need it NOW!

Proper link of photoshopped picture

Aw jeez.


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#45 2008-09-05 6:43 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

ShnickyShnack wrote:

JakeTheTall wrote:

radarman wrote:


Hey, at least she supports drilling in Alaska. We need that oil, and we need it NOW!

Proper link of photoshopped picture

Aw jeez.

They actually shopped her head on a pic of bristol. It's true.


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#46 2008-09-05 7:31 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

bratboy wrote:

Different circumstances as well, as Palin has just been "introduced" as part of a national presidential ticket.

This isn't the first time a relatively unknown has been on the ticket.


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#47 2008-09-05 7:44 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Different circumstances as well, as Palin has just been "introduced" as part of a national presidential ticket.

This isn't the first time a relatively unknown has been on the ticket.

Agreed.  But much of the concern is due to McCain being the oldest candidate to be potentially sworn in, and having had 2-4 occurrences of skin cancer (reports vary). 

All things are not equal.

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#48 2008-09-05 7:48 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Different circumstances as well, as Palin has just been "introduced" as part of a national presidential ticket.

This isn't the first time a relatively unknown has been on the ticket.

In my lifetime:

2004: John Edwards - Senator, former presidential candidate
         Dick Cheney - Vice President

2000: Joe Lieberman - Senator
         Dick Cheney - Congressman, White House COS, SecDef, Sith Lord

1996: Al Gore - Vice President
         Jack Kemp - Pro Football player, Congressman, HUD Secretary

1992: Al Gore - Congressman, Senator, failed presidential candidate
         Dan Quayle - Vice President

1988: Lloyd Bentsen - Congressman, Senator, Treasury Secretary
         Dan Quayle - Congressman, Senator

1984: Geraldine Ferraro - Congressman
         George Bush - Vice President

1980: Walter Mondale - Vice President
         George Bush - Congressman, UN Ambassador, CIA Chief

The only one that come close to Palin's obscurity would be Geraldine Ferraro and we all saw how well that worked out.


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#49 2008-09-05 8:05 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Different circumstances as well, as Palin has just been "introduced" as part of a national presidential ticket.

This isn't the first time a relatively unknown has been on the ticket.

Are you disputing my initial claim?

bratboy wrote:

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.


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#50 2008-09-05 8:32 pm

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Re: All about Governor Palin's problems

That's not true.

She was nationally known before this.

People who watched the Late Late Show knows her as the woman who granted Craig Ferguson honorary citizenship of Alaska.

That must count for something, right?

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