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bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Different circumstances as well, as Palin has just been "introduced" as part of a national presidential ticket.

This isn't the first time a relatively unknown has been on the ticket.

Are you disputing my initial claim?

bratboy wrote:

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.

No.
I had heard of her before, but I had to look her up to know I had heard of her before.
I'm not disputing your initial claim.

I do still think there is some other reason as to why there is so much activity from the left with respect to her. There is a lot of mud slinging going on - almost as bad as what happened to Huckabee when he had a decent start. I know why they slung mud at hum, he is a conservative evangelical who is very vocal about his evangelical stand and talked about incorporating it into his political future. I can't figure out the mud slinging against this chick though.

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

This isn't the first time a relatively unknown has been on the ticket.

Are you disputing my initial claim?

bratboy wrote:

Not surprising, being as though she was just introduced last week and was a nobody on the national scene prior to that.

No.
I had heard of her before, but I had to look her up to know I had heard of her before.
I'm not disputing your initial claim.

I do still think there is some other reason as to why there is so much activity from the left with respect to her. There is a lot of mud slinging going on - almost as bad as what happened to Huckabee when he had a decent start. I know why they slung mud at hum, he is a conservative evangelical who is very vocal about his evangelical stand and talked about incorporating it into his political future. I can't figure out the mud slinging against this chick though.

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resedit wrote:

I do still think there is some other reason as to why there is so much activity from the left with respect to her. There is a lot of mud slinging going on - almost as bad as what happened to Huckabee when he had a decent start. I know why they slung mud at hum, he is a conservative evangelical who is very vocal about his evangelical stand and talked about incorporating it into his political future. I can't figure out the mud slinging against this chick though.

She's quite conservative, she's galvanized the base, and she was completely obnoxious in her acceptance speech.  I think many also view the choice of her as being incredibly cynical.

I really don't think Huckabee had it that bad, though.  I heard nothing but good things about him from the mainstream media.

robco wrote:

I don't underestimate the McCain-Palin ticket. McCain's speech got more viewers than Obama's. Neither party brought their A game this time around. In objective analysis, Obama really isn't that great a candidate either (neither was HRC).

I would think the viewership this time around of the speeches is historic isn't it? Even when normalized to the percentage of the voting population. I would say as far as games are concerned, this is an A-game race. I don't think anyone would have accused Kerry of bringing his A-game.

And McCain got more viewers but by a meager 1.3%.

robco wrote:

As for what she brings, it's obvious. She brings small town 'murica. She brings evangelicals who McCain can't get. She brings some women along - though not truly family-values conservative women (not putting her family first).

Bingo. McCain is reaching out (even more) towards the core bunch who have always been wary of McCain's "maverick" reputation, a reputation they considered dangerous until they were somewhat forced to "embrace" him. That was what kinda struck me during his speech- they all clapped like good sheep, but were uneasy, especially when he went into bits bragging about how he didnt always vote the way the party wanted, and that he didnt feel he was supposed to serve the party anyway, how he felt that they lost when they won the White House etc.

Palin lets him say all that stuff to encourage the conservatives who also feel Bush was horrible, to encourage the centrist Democrat-leaning undecided vote, etc, because he doesnt need an attack dog, he needs a dog he can tie up to the tree around home base while he runs errands to talk himself up as a candidate for "CHANGE!" because thats what sells these days and he knows it, and savvy republican strategists know it, but not everyone is savvy, so here's a little present for you: Palin- mediocrity in a can with the traditional flavors you love so much.

Exactly. Biden has already pointed out that neither McCain nor Palin mentioned healthcare. Or the economy. Or jobs. They were playing to the base at the convention. It will be interesting to see what she talks about on the campaign trail - if she'll speak to broader audiences, or if McCain will do that while she tries to get evangelicals out to the polls. For Obama to win, he's gotta get Biden to talk to working class voters and they've gotta mobilize younger voters. Obama has a shot at younger evangelicals who focus less on abortion and the 3 G's and more on social justice issues. McCain is very much trying to keep this from being a policy debate because Palin is weak in that area. Oh, and then there's Iraq.

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

resedit wrote:

I think the left may be scared she brings something valuable to the McCain campaign.

And what would that be?

I honestly don't know.

Quote/unquote... energy. People are talking about her and, as such, are talking about McCain again. He had basically faded into the woodwork a couple of weeks back. Suddenly she - and he - are the topic of the day.

So far I don't see any signs that the Obama campaign is going focus on her.

robco wrote:

Exactly. Biden has already pointed out that neither McCain nor Palin mentioned healthcare. Or the economy. Or jobs. They were playing to the base at the convention. It will be interesting to see what she talks about on the campaign trail - if she'll speak to broader audiences, or if McCain will do that while she tries to get evangelicals out to the polls. For Obama to win, he's gotta get Biden to talk to working class voters and they've gotta mobilize younger voters. Obama has a shot at younger evangelicals who focus less on abortion and the 3 G's and more on social justice issues. McCain is very much trying to keep this from being a policy debate because Palin is weak in that area. Oh, and then there's Iraq.

Joe Biden lied.
http://portal.gopconvention2008.com/spe … aspx?id=84

Obama to call on help from the wimminzes

With the McCain-Palin team courting undecided female voters, including some who backed Clinton in the Democratic primaries, Obama aides say they are counting on not only Clinton but also Democratic female governors to criticize their Alaskan counterpart, Palin — and, by extension, McCain — including Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas.

Still, within the Obama campaign and among Democratic officials nationwide, talks are well under way about how the party should treat Palin in the final two months of the campaign — and what Obama and his running mate, Senator Joseph Biden Jr. of Delaware, need to do to regain the offensive after the Republican convention.

"What McCain has done with Governor Palin's nomination is aim right at a demographic that Obama needs to address quickly — non-college educated women," said Mike McCurry, a former spokesman in the Clinton White House. "They need to maximize Biden's ability to reach out to them, but at the end of the day it is Obama who has to get that very, very critical group."

So is this a brief flurry of activity? Or has the campaign taken a shift?

USA!  USA!  USA!

McCain will win.  He'll throw a temper tantrum and stroke out.  Palin will be Prez and we'll all have to go to (fundamentalist) church on Sunday,  women won't be allowed to wear skirts less than knee length, abortion will be banned,  homosexuality will be illegal again, the death penalty will be extended to all kinds of crimes like prostitution,  we'll wage war against the "godless" Muslims far and wide,  and Alaska will secede from the nation and be some kind of sovereign Christian entity.  All because God wants it.

Just kidding........I hope.

Last edited by Cobalt60 (2008-09-07 12:17 pm)

mo' ron wrote:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

McCAin is about to take the lead for the first time since May.

As others have said: national polling is not particularly useful, but the state-by-state polling is informative (although why they only have 34 states, I don't know. Maybe for those states not listed Obama or McCain has a 25+% lead and thus not worth listing).