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#1 2008-09-09 4:15 am
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Cookware and Cutlery gear.
Just recently I have been into developing my skills as a home cook. Every night for the past month and a half I have been preparing food for my friends and I from scratch. Nothing microwaved, nothing prepackaged. It has been great and I have been eating a lot healthier because of this.
Also, since I have found this new hobby, I have been buying myself a lot nicer kitchen gear. A sweet set of cast iron skillets, a bunch of high quality Global knives and a bunch of random other higher end cooking tools and utensils. I am about to drop a pretty penny on some cookware, All-Clad, J.A. Henckels, Caphalon, Le Creuset and the sorts.
Does anyone know or have first hand experience on these higher end cookware? I am pretty sure that they will all be better than the pots and pans that I bought at target during my college days to get by. Anyone have a preference on stainless steal, copper, or teflon non stick surfaces? Anyone actually notice the differences on what you can do with proper pots and pans vs the cheaper aluminum weak stuff.
I am already a hardcore believer in having good knives, so I am hoping to notice a difference as well with proper cookware.The prices for sets are about 300 through over a thousand dollars. Viking makes some pretty hardcore stuff, but how far do you have to go to start to see that nothing that has promoting their gear as if it was an infomercial. But not everyone would or can pay such a high price for something that they do not do for business or cooking frequently for dinner.
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#3 2008-09-09 8:36 am
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
stainless steal sounds pretty cheap.....you should get that!
Seriously, though, SS is the best stuff for cooking, no chemicals or metals to leach into your food.
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#4 2008-09-09 9:18 am
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You don't need to buy sets of pots and pans. Just buy what you need. Get a non stick pan. A stainles steel calphalon pan. Maybe a cast iron pan and dutch oven.
Don't forget the Kitchen Aid stand mixer. 
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#5 2008-09-09 9:22 am
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I'd love to buy my wife a good set of knives, I just have to convince her it's worth the cost! I don't think she's ever had the opportunity to use a high quality blade, and doesn't know what she's missing. Perhaps I'll have to get just one to convince her...
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#8 2008-09-09 10:25 am
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Tallgeese wrote:
Wow! Not the right gift for my wife, but perfect for my brother-in-law...
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#9 2008-09-09 10:58 am
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
For fry pans and skillets cast iron is the best material, though heavy stainless is OK too. The heavier the better, as the temperature stays more constant. Definitely avoid anything aluminum, especially if it has a non-stick surface. Avoid anything with a non stick surface. Un-coated cast iron or heavy stainless only. A somewhat rough (sand cast) surface is best to keep things from sticking - the pits hold liquid/steam upon which the food should float. Stuff only sticks to fry pans and skillets if you let it get too dry so the steam cushion collapses.
For sauce pans, pots, preserving kettles or whatnot aluminum is OK. Strong handles, securely attached are critical - look for heavy rivets, avoid spot welded handles. If a rivetted handle does come off or get loose it is easy to fix. Not many of us have spot welding equipment.
Good knives are essential but you don't have to go crazy buying a different knife for each thing you cut. As long as a knife is sharp and feels good in your hand you can do what you need. I have a bargain store paring knife and bread knife and a good carbon steel cleaver. Those cover 95% of the cutting I do.
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#10 2008-09-09 2:31 pm
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
while I use good ( meaning seasoned for generations ) black iron, I just wouldn't make it without the All Clad stainless I use.
I refuse to buy no stick cook stuff as the teflon/whatever ends up getting scratched or peels regardless of quality.
real stainless all clad and I just polish the inside once inna while and stuff is no stick with a touch of olive/cooking oil.
the 5 pc starter of all clad stainless emerilware is one of the best buys going.
it's the normally 199 dollar set that many places have for 99 bucks or so.
foley's is where I grabbed my daughters set.
you will find the higher end cookware is just plain easier to cook with.
if you "must have" a no stick pan, but the 3 dollar one at the cheapo store.
it gets scratched, toss it and buy another.
like I said, they all scratch, might as well do it on a cheap pan.
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#11 2008-09-09 4:20 pm
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test wrote:
The heavier the better, as the temperature stays more constant.
Depends on the application. If you need to heat and/or cool quickly, you're better off with thin plate material.
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#12 2008-09-09 6:03 pm
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Alien wrote:
test wrote:
The heavier the better, as the temperature stays more constant.
Depends on the application. If you need to heat and/or cool quickly, you're better off with thin plate material.
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I suppose, though I don't know why I'd want a fry pan/skillet to cool quickly. I lack imagination. 
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#13 2008-09-09 8:12 pm
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
Lots of good advice here, but to echo the really important stuff:
1) You don`t need a full compliment of high quality knives. Get a nice set of essentials -- Chef`s Knife/Santoku Knife, perhaps a meat cleaver, and paring knife -- and you`ll be set. Of course, don`t forget the sharpening steel and stone for proper maintenance.
2) While you`re at it, make sure you have a nice cuting board. Well maintained knives with a sturdy cutting board are essential for safety.
3) You probably won`t need a full set of high-end cookware. Skillet, stock pot, sauce pot, one cheap non-stick frying pan, and perhaps another larger pan (depending on how many you cook for) are pretty much all you need for majority of home cooking.
As it has been mentioned, look for riveted handles. Also, it goes without saying, but nothing with a rubber handle else it`s useless for finishing dishes in the oven. Regarding thick vs. thin plating, I`d say it varies. You do have some Cast Iron already which is terrific for keeping temperature, so you may want thin plates on your stainless steel for rapid temperature changes.
4) Consider a nice wok if you do a lot of Asian cuisine.
5) A Mortar and pestle is very handy for prepping a variety of sauces or marinades.
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#14 2008-09-09 9:27 pm
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
I purchased one of those reversible grill/griddles that cover over 2 of my burners. I really like it except for the difficulty of cleaning the grill side if sweet syrupy stuff lands between the grill lines. Otherwise, It's great for searing meat. I haven't made pancakes on them yet. Soon.
I am looking into the J.A. Henckels cookware set. It's cheaper than the All Clad and Caphalon Contemporary, but just as nice. When you buy from metrokitchen, they give you free gifts with each purchase over certain dollar amounts. Good stuff.
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#15 2008-09-09 9:42 pm
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Well, I used to cook for a living.
If money is no object I'd get All-Clad. For knives I'd get forged Trident or Henckels. You can get by with a paring knife and a 8 inch chef's knife. I always wanted to buy a ceramic knife but never have. They are expensive, sharp as anything, will break if you drop them, and stay sharp forever but have to be sent to the factory to be sharpened when they do get dull.
What I ended up getting for my home is Cuisinart Stainless Steel. It's sort of a poor man's All-Clad and should work fine for the home. I have Trident knives from the working days. Forschner knives are not the absolute best but a lot of cooks use them because they are not as expensive as Trident or Henckels and they are sturdy and competent.
I'm not a doctor but I'll take a look!
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#16 2008-09-10 9:26 am
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
Yeah, I'd suggest that most working cooks use pretty basic tools, not the stuff you find at Williams-Sonoma. I do recall chefs at a certain level carrying their own "tool boxes" to work, but most cooks use whatever the company buys for them, including big ugly aluminum pots with no lids.
I used to cook for a living, too. I'm in the market for some new pots, but, while I look for a certain quality (riveted handles, stainless steel), I'm not willing to fork over 3 to 6 hundred dollars for the set, so I try to evaluate the cheaper department store stuff and get the most durable they have.
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#17 2008-09-10 12:49 pm
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
Has anyone cooked on Induction cooktops before? Anyone have experience with trivection GE ovens?
I was on their website last night and was pretty impressed with Alton Brown's presentation/video explaining the technology behind both of those. The oven though, seemed way more complicated that it had to be though. Too many commands to input. I guess you can just set it to how you normally cook though, you don't have to try to speed cook everything.
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#18 2008-09-10 1:12 pm
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
uncreativename wrote:
I am about to drop a pretty penny on some cookware, All-Clad, J.A. Henckels, Caphalon, Le Creuset and the sorts.
I have All-Clad for cookware, Henkels for knives. The only other thing I high recommend is some sort of casserole cooking for roasting meats -- I have an iittala Hackman cast iron casserole that I love. I much prefer this to le Creuset.
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#19 2008-09-10 1:46 pm
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#20 2008-09-10 2:41 pm
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unshavenyak wrote:
1) You don`t need a full compliment of high quality knives. Get a nice set of essentials -- Chef`s Knife/Santoku Knife, perhaps a meat cleaver, and paring knife -- and you`ll be set. Of course, don`t forget the sharpening steel and stone for proper maintenance.
I'd add a thin flexible knife like a tomato or filet knife to that list
2) While you`re at it, make sure you have a nice cuting board. Well maintained knives with a sturdy cutting board are essential for safety.
Wood is best for several reasons including weight, maintaining a knife's edge, its inherent antibacterial nature (you still need to wash it off regularly).
3) You probably won`t need a full set of high-end cookware. Skillet, stock pot, sauce pot, one cheap non-stick frying pan, and perhaps another larger pan (depending on how many you cook for) are pretty much all you need for majority of home cooking.
Dutch Oven for pot roasts and such too
As it has been mentioned, look for riveted handles. Also, it goes without saying, but nothing with a rubber handle else it`s useless for finishing dishes in the oven. Regarding thick vs. thin plating, I`d say it varies. You do have some Cast Iron already which is terrific for keeping temperature, so you may want thin plates on your stainless steel for rapid temperature changes.
I'm not disagreeing but some of the pots and pans with plastic handles are ok if you don't use them under the broiler. You just have to look for a temperature rating (usually 450 or 500 degrees).
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#21 2008-09-10 8:19 pm
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
Well, I may get laughed at for this but, I got my wife the Rachael Ray hard anodized aluminum cookware set for Christmas last year.
We've had Teflon nonstick, enamel, regular aluminum, stainless steel, and nothing ever worked as nice as these pans do. The nonstick anodized coating is awesome, nothing sticks to those babies. They have silicon covers on the handles that you can put in the oven up to 400 degrees I believe (although we haven't done that). I love them, they are a breeze to clean up. They are solidly constructed, with 2 huge rivets in each handle, and are surprisingly heavy. We love them.
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#22 2008-09-12 4:36 am
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.

Heck yeah! I love the handles on the henckels, rather than feeling like you are holding a pot/pan, it feels more like you are shaking someones hand. I didn't end up ordering from MetroKitchen, I ordered from Cutlery and More, they had a better set of free steak knives they were offering. I am about to throw away so many weaksauce cheap pots and pans to make room for my new set. Heck yeah! I can't wait.
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#23 2008-09-12 6:05 am
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Re: Cookware and Cutlery gear.
I have had a set of quite expensive stainless cookware and got rid of them because everything stuck like glue unless you had a cup of oil in them.
The worst material I have ever tried to cook on.
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#24 2008-09-12 8:56 am
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I have had a set of quite expensive stainless cookware and got rid of them because everything stuck like glue unless you had a cup of oil in them.
The worst material I have ever tried to cook on.
Really? We have a set of stainless stock pots with copper bottoms. The things are polished to a mirror finish. Nothing sticks to them; they're better than our teflon-coated frying pans. I guess the only way to know for sure is to try them or read a few reviews.
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#25 2008-09-12 11:30 am
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I think with everything there's different quality items at various price ranges. Beyond that, if he was using oil it was a pan not a pot. Pots are a lot more forgiving when it comes to sticking as it typically water based cooking, particularly stock pots.
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