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Now. That's not true.

It's absurdly insufferable.

Farmerkev wrote:

I feel guilty for causing so much pain and suffering to the liberals here.
I take it all back, we can pretend Obama never said anything.

He definitely said what you claimed that he said.

Noting that someone will play upon the fears of others isn't quite the same thing as calling them a "racist," but I'll humor you.  Do you think he's on to something, or not?

I think it's important to note the entire quote:

"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Some of that has already proven true.

He's questioned his "patriotism," I would say.

“This is a clear choice that the American people have. I had the courage and the judgment to say I would rather lose a political campaign than lose a war. It seems to me that Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign.”

Country First!

Farmerkev wrote:

More calling him a poll panderer but I'll give you "patriotism" for the sake of argument.
Did that give Obama the license to then go on and say the rest?

If he was referring to his color (that isn't explicit), and it was directed at McCain--then no, there isn't a basis for it.  However, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something along those lines from the McCain's camp if they get desperate.

Although I'd guess we might have different views on what can fairly be labled "race baiting."  Remember this one?

daemon wrote:

There's bumper stickers that say:

Vote McCain; not Hussein.

Now, whoever is behind that has a definite view, no?

Yes, it ranks right up there with "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilot was a Governor".
I think I'll make a new topic "Obama says Palin wants to kill him".
If we are going to have the standard that anything an idiot on the right does McCain has to answer for then we will have the same standard for the left.

Farmerkev wrote:

daemon wrote:

There's bumper stickers that say:

Vote McCain; not Hussein.

Now, whoever is behind that has a definite view, no?

Yes, it ranks right up there with "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilot was a Governor".
I think I'll make a new topic "Obama says Palin wants to kill him".
If we are going to have the standard that anything an idiot on the right does McCain has to answer for then we will have the same standard for the left.

That "idiot on the right" is sometimes an elected Republican, or a McCain campaign surrogate.

And from a realistic viewpoint, the fact that Obama has barely (if at all) played the race card, with all the statements thrown at him, and muttered about him; is frankly an astonishing feat of self-control.

JakeTheTall wrote:

That "idiot on the right" is sometimes an elected Republican, or a McCain campaign surrogate.

Yes, the same is also true with Obama campaign staff/surrogates and elected Dem officials.
We're right back to one standard or two.

This is my view as well:

Good Old Days

by digby

Yesterday, McCain said this at the "Service" forum in NYC and right afterwards Tweety went nuts on it saying that it was evocative of the "good" 60's and thin ties before everybody went crazy and grew their hair:


    "I think the tone of this whole campaign would have been very different if Sen. Obama had accepted my request for us to appear in town hall meetings all over America, the same way Jack Kennedy and Barry Goldwater had agreed to do so," McCain said.



Imagine that. Here's the fact check on it:

    The quote actually comes from a 1988 Washington Post interview with Goldwater -- and it might be interesting to see the full quote in context.

    In it, Goldwater says, "It probably wouldn't have happened." Here's the full quote:

    "Goldwater's eyes remain fixed on the window. 'I would have enjoyed it very much. I even talked to him one day about using the same airplane, going to the same places. He'd get out in one place and start to debate and I'd rebut him. Then we'd turn it around in the next place. It was the Uncle Morris fantasy, and it probably wouldn't have happened. But he liked the idea. It would have saved a lot of money, we'd have had a good time, and it would have done the country a lot of good.'" (Washington Post, 8/14/1988)



Tweety said this harkened back to the good old days when the country wasn't divided and everybody was on the same team. Too bad one of the participants in this good hearted exchange of views was assassinated in cold blood on the streets of Dallas before they could make their "morning in America" tour.

The tone of the campaign.... right.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Yes, the same is also true with Obama campaign staff/surrogates and elected Dem officials.
We're right back to one standard or two.

Is it your position that both sides have engaged in the same amount and same quality of mudslinging?  What about false mudslinging?

False mudslinging?
That's like the Palin baby really daughters kid deal right?
Or would that be like McCain wants war for 100 years?

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

False mudslinging?
That's like the Palin baby really daughters kid deal right?
Or would that be like McCain wants war for 100 years?

Both campaigns, Kev.  Or have you not had enough exposure to their messages and ads to give an informed answer, here.

More than enough to believe both are pretty goddamn slimy.

bratboy wrote:

So once again, all things are perfectly equal?  Is that what you're saying?  There's more than enough "slime" ("false slime," even) coming from Obama's campaign to match that which we're seeing directly from McCain's campaign?

Is it your contention that a person that kills 10 people is worse than a person that kills 5?
I'm saying they are both smurfing murderers.

oatmeal wrote:

everlong554 wrote:

isaly wrote:

They are not subjective ! ! ! They're not seeing anything. People who see insults where none are meant are usually called PARANOID !

You're just being completely dishonest. Why you persist, if you're not completely stupid, is just plain evil.

As nirvana said "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you".

Paranoia is an irrational fear that someone is out to get you.  If someone is actually out to get you then the fear you feel is not irrational but is rather based on an accurate perception of your environment and the intentions of others.

Or, put very succinctly: no.

Actually, the whole basis of paranoia IS rationality. A paranoid person is a master of logic and rationality which is often used to bolster misperceptions or project self loathing or the perception of shortcoming onto others in order to be able to account for it and deal with it in a manner consistent with that person's view.

You may not see what that person sees but that person is still supremely rational and logical.