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#301 2008-10-15 10:53 am

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

The RIAA lapdogs bit their own ass.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#302 2008-10-15 1:57 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

WaPo chat w/DynaMick Duo TuckCar and AnalMarieCokx...

Anonymous: Do you think that anyone in the McCain campaign feels that Obama actually sympathizes with bombings aimed against the U.S. government? I'm also curious as to whether either of you feel any fraudulent voter registrations on the part of ACORN could actually lead to large numbers of people voting illegally, perhaps in sufficient numbers to swing the election. Fox News had this blurb on the bottom of the screen during a discussion of ACORN today: "Stealing the Election -- Voter Fraud in 14 States."

Tucker Carlson: Asking wherther there's enough voter fraud to swing the election is like asking if there's enough murder to depopulate the country. It misses the point. Any voter fraud undermines public confidence in a system that runs on voter confidence. Plus, it's unfiar.

The McCain people don't believe Obama sympathizes with terrorists. McCain himself has said as much. They're just trying to make the point he has poor taste in friends, which he apparently does.

Ana Marie Cox: No, no one on the McCain campaign thinks Obama is a terrorist sympathizer. They do believe that he has poor taste in friends, and -- this is the point they feel the press has neglected -- that he's been dishonest about his relationships to that friend. To the extent I think there's a "there there" (there), it's that Obama has not hesitated to befriend those that can help his career, no matter what he might think of their political opinions or their past -- a pattern that applies to his relationship with Wright, as well as his early attempts to reach out to McCain himself in the Senate. (And his subsequent brush off of McCain when he found a mentor that would be more helpful.)

As for ACORN: In order for their fraudulent registrations to make a difference, "Mickey Mouse" and his minions would have to show up to vote. There's a difference between registration fraud and voter fraud at the polls.

What could happen is that it will LOOK as though turnout is far below what's been predicted, which may give credence to allegations of actual vote suppression. Or, as some groups worry, concern about registration fraud could lead to legitimate registrations being delayed.

Gosh, this all makes for hilarious conversation, no?

Now, That One is showing up everywhere.

I'd like to see how much of their hilarious conversation is conventional wisdom.


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#303 2008-10-15 7:04 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

more:

Washington: Tucker, I submitted a question last week about whether the Republican Party is in the midst of experiencing a major realignment vis-a-vis the blatant racism among a large part of their Southern supporters. Since last week we have seen the clip of the woman at the McCain rally calling Obama a Muslim and the man shouting "kill him" at another rally.

I know not all the voters or Southerners are of the same mindset (I am from the panhandle of Florida) but it seems that the Republican Party finally is ready to push these types out of the tent and embrace and support moderate elements that actually allow them to win in the rest of the country. Do you agree, or am I missing something?

Tucker Carlson: There are racists in the Republican Party. There are racists in the Democratic Party, too, as we learned in the primaries this year. Neither party wants to be identified with these people, since racism now rates higher than homicide as a social faux pas, in case you haven't noticed. What blows my mind is the idea that McCain (or Obama) is responsible for the kooks who show up at their events. Have you ever been to a political rally? Nine times out of ten the candidate is the sanest person in the room, and that's not the candidate's fault. Campaign events draw weirdos and extremists. Every political reporter knows this. It's remarkable that so many reporters have pretended lately not to know this, and it's more evidence that the press is openly rooting for Obama.

Ana Marie Cox: As I said last week, going to rallies is, in fact, what crazy people do. Who else turns out to a rec center gym at 10am on a Wednesday? And I think the only reason we don't see similar kinds of craziness at Obama rallies (people shouting "warmonger" of McCain or some such) is that Obama does a better job -- and for good reasons -- screening his audiences.

As for why "political reporters" aren't calling foul on the allegations that McCain is actively seeking out the pitchfork wavers, well, all I can say is that cable news talking heads are not political reporters.

And if I may had a personal anecdote: Last week, a cable news producer was interviewing me about the McCain crowds and surprised me by saying that someone just that day had shouted "traitor" at the mention of Obama. I was surprised because I had been traveling with McCain since the day before and everyone on the press corps was looking for crazies like they were Sarah Palin's amniotic fluid. If someone had done that, we would have noticed.

Turns out that the incident the guy was referring to was a protester yelling "Liar" TO McCain. The woman was drowned out by the all-purpose "USA" chant and escorted away. But I see this has not stopped anyone from adding "traitor" to their lists of epithets supposedly encouraged by McCain.

Of course.


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#304 2008-10-15 7:17 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

Top Tampa GOP Figure Circulates Joke About Killing Obama

Al Austin, a longtime, high-level Republican fundraiser from Tampa, today sent to his list of political contacts an e-mail containing a joke that refers to the assassination of Barack Obama.

When asked about the e-mail, Austin said it was a mistake and apologized and that he wouldn’t knowingly have circulated it. He said he planned to send an apology and retraction to the same e-mail list.

The joke concerns a group of schoolchildren discussing the definition of “tragedy” as opposed to “great loss” or “accident.” The punch line comes when one child says that if an airplane carrying Obama and his wife, Michelle, “was struck by a ‘friendly fire’ missile and blown to smithereens,” the event might be a tragedy “because it certainly wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be an accident either.”

Austin acknowledged sending the e-mail to his list of political contacts but said he forwarded it without fully reading it and didn’t know what it said. That list included at least two reporters.

According to the forwarding history on the e-mail, it had gone through at least two other individuals before being sent to Austin on Tuesday.

Austin, a prominent real estate developer long known as one of the state’s leading Republican campaign fundraisers, has served in recent years as finance chairman for both the national and state Republican parties.

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#305 2008-10-15 7:43 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

That's nothin'. Happens all the time.

Red Sox dealing with threat

Beef up security for Tampa Bay trip

By Jeff Horrigan
Monday, June 30, 2008 - Updated 107d 2h ago
Security teams to St. Petersburg, Fla., for the next three days due to a recent threat made against the club’s players.

According to sources, the Sox recently received a mailed threat, believed to be postmarked in Memphis, Tenn., which targeted black and Latin players, citing at least two by name. The named players have been informed about the threats and will likely have security accompaniment away from Tropicana Field, including at the team’s hotel in St. Petersburg.

This was never mentioned after it broke. Manny had a clubhouse incident right around this time frame.

Tampa swept that series, fwiw.


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#306 2008-10-15 9:28 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

Austin acknowledged sending the e-mail to his list of political contacts but said he forwarded it without fully reading it and didn’t know what it said.

Must have been one of those chain emails that promised good luck only if you hurry and send it to everyone you know.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#307 2008-10-16 1:06 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

wow

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/10-16/racist16_400.jpg

The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women's group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.

The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps -- instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of "Obama Bucks" -- a phony $10 bill featuring Obama's face on a donkey's body, labeled "United States Food Stamps."

The GOP newsletter, which was sent to about 200 members and associates of the group by e-mail and regular mail last week, is drawing harsh criticism from members of the political group, elected leaders, party officials and others as racist.

The group's president, Diane Fedele, said she plans to send an apology letter to her members and to apologize at the club's meeting next week. She said she simply wanted to deride a comment Obama made over the summer about how as an African-American he "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

"It was strictly an attempt to point out the outrageousness of his statement. I really don't want to go into it any further," Fedele said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "I absolutely apologize to anyone who was offended. That clearly wasn't my attempt."

Fedele said she got the illustration in a number of chain e-mails and decided to reprint it for her members in the Trumpeter newsletter because she was offended that Obama would draw attention to his own race. She declined to say who sent her the e-mails with the illustration.

She said she doesn't think in racist terms, pointing out she once supported Republican Alan Keyes, an African-American who previously ran for president.

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#308 2008-10-16 1:14 pm

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#309 2008-10-16 1:19 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

That's the word.

Goes with this:

Arlington, Va.: The Secret Service has now labeled the "kill him" report as unfounded. Why isn't The Post giving this report as much coverage as the original false report received?

Dana Milbank:
Glad you asked, because I saw this earlier. This is actually about the incident in Scranton, not the one in Clearwater, Fla, that I wrote about here.

I wasn't at the Scranton event, but I have to say the Secret Service is in dangerous territory here. In cooperation with the Palin campaign, they've started preventing reporters from leaving the press section to interview people in the crowd. This is a serious violation of their duty -- protecting the protectee -- and gets into assisting with the political aspirations of the candidate. It also often makes it impossible for reporters to get into the crowd to question the people who say vulgar things. So they prevent reporters from getting near the people doing the shouting, then claim it's unfounded because the reporters can't get close enough to identify the person.

Today's WaPo chat


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#310 2008-10-16 4:23 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

It's become pretty clear the last few weeks that the people who've been making the blacks-need-to-get-over-the-racism-thing-slavery-ended-over-100-years-ago argument can legitimately be expected to shut the smurf up.


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#311 2008-10-16 4:31 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

There's something sad yet magical about a Ohio hick saying "if the candidate is black he must be second-rank."


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#312 2008-10-16 8:09 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

McCain Campaign wrote:

we’ve had no associations with any lobbyists on our campaign


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#313 2008-10-16 9:31 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

This came from another board I post on, I have absolutely no idea where it originated:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/trouble747/new5bg7.jpg

lol


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#314 2008-10-16 9:33 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

Tallgeese wrote:

McCain Campaign wrote:

we’ve had no associations with any lobbyists on our campaign

*Cough* http://mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0006 *Cough*

confused


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#315 2008-10-16 9:35 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

you didn't post that?


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#316 2008-10-16 9:35 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/trouble747/1224135821423.jpg

(Also not my creation.)


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#317 2008-10-16 9:37 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

bratboy wrote:

you didn't post that?

I only posted the quote, not the link.

I was going for a minimalist sort of thing since I assumed that the number of lobbyists on his campaign was already well known.

Last edited by Tallgeese (2008-10-16 9:39 pm)


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#318 2008-10-16 9:38 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

i didn't do it


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#319 2008-10-16 9:42 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

Oops my bad

::Thought I hit quote::

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#320 2008-10-16 9:43 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

Tallgeese wrote:

McCain Campaign wrote:

we’ve had no associations with any lobbyists on our campaign

*Cough* http://mccainsource.com/corruption?id=0006 *Cough*

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#321 2008-10-16 9:43 pm

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Re: McCane's self-contradictory problem

ah yes i do that a lot, usually to really long posts that I then have to reconstruct


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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