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#1 2008-10-11 1:07 am
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SC2: Trisected
[October 10, 2008, 9:02 pm ET] - share
The big news today out of BlizzCon is that StarCraft II is being divided into Terrans: Wings of Liberty, Zerg: Heart of the Swarm, and Protoss: Legacy of the Void, three separate standalone campaigns that will be sold separately, each highlighting one of the game's races, with the decision to subdivide the real-time strategy sequel said to be the alternative to either delaying or scaling back the release. Shacknews quotes Blizzard's Rob Pardo saying the second and third games "will be like expansion packs, but we really want them to feel like standalone products." Word is the Zerg campaign will emphasize RPG elements, the Protoss campaign will focus on diplomacy, and the Terran campaign will also feature a Protoss mini-campaign. Shacknews also offers a coupe of cut-scenes, one fully rendered, and the other using the game engine.
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#2 2008-10-11 9:40 am
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Re: SC2: Trisected

Same old story.
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#3 2008-10-11 12:40 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
Well, I read the first line of the post and the comic in post 2 pretty much sums up the first thought that came to my head. I was and am still pretty excited about SC:2 but to see it split up is a bit disappointing. I'm not sure I really feel like forking over 3x the money to play 1 game. Games already cost enough as it is.
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#4 2008-10-11 3:43 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
I dunno. From the sounds of it, this will be 3 campaigns of comparable length to all three of the original Starcraft campaigns. And at first, I was pissed to, but then I thought about it. If I can get my hands on it for one long campaign and multiplayer... or wait a year to a year and a half longer for all three in one... I am going to take the split campaigns.
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#5 2008-10-11 4:00 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
I'm not sure how I feel about it; it is, and I don't know the real story with any degree of certainty. The world is, I just live in it atm... meanwhile
StarCraft II Trailers [October 11, 2008, 12:10 pm ET] - Share
A pair of trailer for StarCraft II from BlizzCon 2008 are now available. There's a clip with a bit of Zerg versus Terran conflict on AtomicGamer, Gamer's Hell, and MyGameTrailers. There's also a Protoss versus Terran movie on AtomicGamer, Gamer's Hell, and MyGameTrailers.
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#6 2008-10-12 1:23 pm
Re: SC2: Trisected
At least they are saying that all 3 races will be available for multiplayer with each. (or with the main one, if they decide to go the expansion pack rout)
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#7 2008-10-12 4:32 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
Maybe not.
$150 to Play Full StarCraft II?
11th Oct 2008 10:15 PM GMT | Leord |Blizzcon 2008 Coverage >>
Since the announcement that StarCraft II will be shipping as three separate products to be the "StarCraft II Trilogy", there has been several criticising voices against this, in terms of having to purchase several boxes, and possibly paying $150 just to get the full game.
StarCraftWire.net had an interview with Chris Sigaty, where he disclosed the details of these statements, and whether or not players will have to get them all to play simple multiplayer with each other. As you can read from the StarCraft Gameplay Panel, the game will ship in three parts:
Wings of Liberty (Terran)
Heart of the Swarm (Zerg)
Legacy of the Void (Protoss)
It seems the decision to divide SC2 into three was discussed last BlizzCon, and got finalised sometime around new year, and now announced at BlizzCon. It will work more or less exactly like expansions, as two were already planned for SC anyway. This means that you will need to have all three boxes if you want to play with other people that have all three, or you can play in "Wings of Liberty Mode", which only requires that original box. Yes, this does mean that you will have to pay whatever price it would total to (they have not discussed that yet, ofc), in order to play
There will be about 30 maps per campaign, instead of 8-10, and will ship like proper standalone products.
Their response to negative opinions on buying three boxes to get one game is that the project is just so big, and it has more to do with time than money, meaning that they didn't want to let players wait for an additional year just to get the game. It's the same deal as two expansions, and people will probably be playing just "Wings of Liberty" as well as the additional content. This is very similar to how StarCraft I and WarCraft III works as well.
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#8 2008-10-12 4:39 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
The first Blizzcon '08 Starcraft 2 panel is history and it was good! As with the Blizzard World Wide invitational we recorded the panel presentation and will be posted in the near future. A listing of the key points:
Starcraft 2 single player is divided up into three parts:
Campaign 1: Wings of Liberty (Terran)
Supplement to 1: Zeratul mini campaign with "deeper storyline”
Campaign 2: Heart of the Swarm (Zerg)
Campaign 3: Legacy of the Void (Protoss)
Each campaign will have 26-32 hours of gameplay if you play it all.
The number of prerendered cinematics was not announced but our best guess is 7+ in total.
Mind you that even the in-game cinematics are better than the pre-rendered ones from SC1
Lots of voice acting
As expected: No release date was given
No news on Battle.net 2.0
Beta news: a beta seems to be in the pipeline since all attendees received a Starcraft 2 beta key.
More REALLY amazing stuff is coming our way soon.
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#9 2008-10-12 10:34 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
akb825 wrote:
At least they are saying that all 3 races will be available for multiplayer with each. (or with the main one, if they decide to go the expansion pack route)
I saw what you meant, tho. The first product is promised to have functioning MP for the 3 races as far as what's in the product.
Not all units in Campaign will be in MP, it's worth noting, as is news of the beta keys.
In telling this story they're aiming to make changes across the board. According to Sigaty, while there are lots of familiar elements, they are "totally changing the way you play." It appears this change will be most noticeable in the differentiation between single player and multiplayer modes. In single player mode, your goal is to complete the mission, while in multiplayer mode your goal is to defeat your opponent. In the original StarCraft, the way you go about that would often be the same. You zerg in multiplayer mode, you zerg in single player mode. You use the same units, the same structures, and sometimes even the same maps. No longer.
We learned earlier in the day from Rob Pardo that there will be units in the single player mode that are not usable in the multiplayer mode. Sigaty expanded upon this a little bit; Goliaths and those six-person Terran Bunkers will not be usable in multiplayer. By removing those units, and others like it, they will change significantly the way the multiplayer game is played compared to the single player. You can't just turtle your way through a multiplayer match with bunkers anymore.
When I asked Sigaty about the different parts of the trilogy and how each part would affect the multiplayer game, he said that each campaign will add something to the multiplayer game. Of course, one of the bigger questions today, we asked if multiplayer will be fully implemented with all the races when the first part of the SC2 trilogy is released? The answer is simple: "yes." Players will be able to play each and every race, setting them against each other in massive do-or-die battles.
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#10 2008-10-12 11:50 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
I thought bad of this when I first heard it, but being the hopeless optimist, I soon decided this was a good thing.
-blizzard is hardly strapped for cash, so they're probably not doing it for the $$$$.
-As such, they can probably do whatever they want to.
-They have released expansions before. This isn't that huge a leap in logic. It used to be slowly unlocking every unit until the last level, you have everything to do.
-I'm mortally afraid of playing anything online, so more singleplayer is a welcome addition.
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#11 2008-10-13 10:18 am
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Re: SC2: Trisected
so basically, they'll have huge sales for the first, average for the second, and mediocre for the third
there's a reason they still sell StarCraft I battle chests and it's not the single player, now if they did it like steam (minus the annoying steam part) and you can buy subsequent expansions for like $10 or something.
I know I"m not going to wait till all three are out to get a battle chest deal, and I'm not dishing out $150 for a story told through RTS.
I will admit that I can see their side of it, they want to take on making this huge thing and selling all together in one box for $50 would take awhile to cover the cash and time investment, but most consumers don't think about the creation etc. I really don't see them keeping up the sales after the first SCII installment, maybe if there's a year between each, which is likely, if not more, plus repeated winter releases makes christmas/hannukah/holdiays etc. etc. sales.
Then agaon, if all three installments contain the same MP installl, and just a different campaign, are the second and third really worth $50? Since that would mean the first contains all the backbone and II and III just have premade maps, scripted computer play, and cinematics, minus new graphics/design/unit etc. design
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#12 2008-10-13 12:56 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
I like the fact that at least for the online all are there. I only played SC1 for the online. Didn't care for solo.
However until its a "battle chest" I'll only bother with purchasing one, and even then... meh I doubt it... I'm still paying for WoW
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#13 2008-10-13 4:35 pm
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Re: SC2: Trisected
There are no confirmed prices for anything at this point, AFAIK.
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#14 2008-10-14 5:41 am
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Re: SC2: Trisected
Blizzard Denies Milking StarCraft II [October 13, 2008, 8:48 pm ET] - Share
Edge Online has a Q&A with Blizzard's Bob Colayco about the revelation that StarCraft II will be released as three different products. Bob flatly denies that this is a pernicious effect of the Activision Blizzard merger and also decries accusations they are trying to milk the science fiction RTS franchise: "Activision doesn’t really factor in, because ultimately the people calling the shots on how this game is going to turn out is the StarCraft II dev team. This trilogy decision was really made by that team. Effectively, what are we really talking about here? We’ve always done our RTS games with one expansion pack. So now we’re releasing two. Is it really that weird?"
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