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Oh. and this

Anyway, it seems poor Joe is somehow the victim of Barack Obama and his fiendish online minions who have snooped into every crevice of his life.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/10/17/joe-t … aem-frost/

Someone's really unhinged today.

I'd never heard of Joe the Plumber until the debate.

Hey, maybe all of this is a GEORGE SOROS PLOT!

Steve Miller needs to sue copyright infringement. "pompatus"? The nerve.

and about robocalls, Marc Ambinder says:

Robocalls Aren't Usually Effective

Political scientists and consultants say that taped-voice telephone calls are among the least effective methods of voter persuasion.
Privately, Republican consultants liken that the RNC's massive robocall effort this week to a ball and string toy -- it gives vendors something to do and activists something to think about.
Alan Gerber and Donald Green, Yale profs who study turnout, have written that robocalls  "might help you to stretch your resources in ways that allow you to contact the maximum number of people, but don't expect to move them very much, if at all."
Generic robocalls -- those not targeted at specific constituencies -- are worse.
There's an exception. When the calls reinforce a message that a candidate is carrying, then they're not always a bad investment.
But the national McCain campaign is only weakly invested in anti-Obama message on William Ayers and Obama's "terrorist" connections.

Hm. Might be lowballing the 'associations frame. Or not.

edit: He only says that the McCandidate's campaign isn't all that invested. Isn't this really out of the RNC?

Last edited by daemon (2008-10-17 4:24 pm)

user wrote:

Well, they certainly wasted money calling ME.

Aww ... I'll call ya, matt!

Tallgeese wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Steyr AUG wrote:

Dude simply asked a what-if question. It wasn't off the wall or ridiculous and is certainly valid for many Americans.

Actually the percentage of "small businesses" that bring in that amount of profit is quite small.  I think the question was more rhetorical than it was hypothetical.

Tearing hi s life apart simply for daring to ask a question serves to let warn others what could happen if they don't just shut up and obey. Not quite progressive or open-minded.

"Shut up and obey?"  How uncharacteristically dramatic of you.

Nobody is "tearing his life apart," and he seems to be quite content with the attention (he's probably given more interviews than Sarah Palin, if you hadn't noticed).

The focus has been more on John McCain's use of the story.  In reality, "Joe the Plumber" wasn't preparing to buy such a business, doesn't make that much money himself, and the business likely doesn't make that much money, either.

...and if his income does get pushed to 250-280,000 the tax increase will be about $900 a year.

HOW DARE YOU TAKE SO MUCH. I CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF THESE WELFARE BABIES!

Oh, and you can't have an abortion because I said so.

[MA] Flying_Meat wrote:

on the other hand, if you make 249,000, and you get a thousand dollar increase the next year, either you had better have donated some money to charity, or you just got a one hundred dollar increase instead of 1,000.

meh. i'd love to make 250,000 dollars a year. give me a call!

That's like a .5% raise.