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#1 2008-11-14 3:02 pm

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Man Having Another Baby!!!

The transgender man who bore a daughter four months ago is pregnant again. The woman (who was a beauty queen), who had her breasts removed and I believe took male hormone shots will be interviewed by Barbara Walters tonight on "20/20." The program will be called "What Is a Man, What Is a Woman? Journey of a Pregnant Man". The show airs 10pm ET 11/14/08

Post your thoughts.

On a lighter note, one of the ladies on the show "The View" which Barbara also is a co-host, had a funny question. When Thomas Beatie (the pregnant man) gets a couple months into the pregnancy, and if they get on a plane, and they announce  woman and children first, what does he do?

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#2 2008-11-14 3:04 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

uh, they never ask "women and children first"
its always "families with small children. "


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#3 2008-11-14 3:10 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

Chickenhawk wrote:

uh, they never ask "women and children first"
its always "families with small children. "

Your right, but most airlines also if they saw a pregnant woman with a very large belly would accommodate her and let her board first also.


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#4 2008-11-14 3:31 pm

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shrug It's a non-issue brought on by semantic simplicity applied to a complex situation.


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#5 2008-11-14 3:42 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

The "women and children" bit (at least in the movies) is for the first passengers off a sinking ship, not the first to board an airplane.

lol

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#6 2008-11-14 3:46 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

I'll start a proposition in California to change the announcement to "women, children, and pregnant men." 

Discrimination is un-American !

I have an idea as to how to "punish" the offenders, as well.


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#7 2008-11-14 3:54 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

someone here sounds overly excited about trannybois

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#8 2008-11-14 4:14 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

In the species Homo sapien a male has the heterozygous chromosome pair XY while the female has the homozygous chromosome pair XX.

There are some anomalies that can occur, such as Klinefelter's syndrome, but those are abnormal for the species and I do not believe play a role in this scenario. I believe they are usually infertile and always have male reproductive organs.

EDIT -

heterozygous/homozygous are probably the wrong terms, I think those are alleles - not chromosomes.
I'm too tired to look up the proper term now.

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#9 2008-11-14 5:01 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

bedstuy wrote:

someone here sounds overly excited about trannybois

Actually,young woman who once called themselves butch now call themselves tranny bois, and these tranny bois people are mostly dating each other. Are “tranny bois” really bending genders when they don’t feel comfortable self-identifying as women in touch with their masculine side? Or is it reaffirming gender stereotypes to say that being butch means being a man?

Labels are a necessary part of life. People have a natural proclivity to categorize things by generalities. Just because a label shares certain traits with others of that label doesn't mean they share all traits. There is diversity among sameness, if you catch my drift. Labels are sometimes a chain that holds people down, but they are also a natural and, yes, simplistic means of describing persons, places, or things that are alike. It is actually the simplicity of labels that make them useful. A dog is a dog, but not all dogs are the same...We have to keep in mind that the same goes for any label we put on each other as well.

But I will wait to see what answers Thomas Beatie (the pregnant man) has for Barbara Walters tonight on "20/20."


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#10 2008-11-14 5:25 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

Why do you care, and what business is it of yours, what someone does with their body?

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#11 2008-11-14 5:28 pm

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He needs to know who next to vote rights away from.


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#12 2008-11-14 5:40 pm

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CG5Addict wrote:

It is actually the simplicity of labels that make them useful. A dog is a dog, but not all dogs are the same...We have to keep in mind that the same goes for any label we put on each other as well.

Three words for you:

"Suck it, Bitch!"


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#13 2008-11-14 5:46 pm

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and trannyboi properly refers to slightly, effeminate FtM persons, not butch dykes.


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#14 2008-11-14 5:49 pm

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Keep it under control, mind the rules.


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#15 2008-11-14 7:02 pm

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bedstuy wrote:

Why do you care, and what business is it of yours, what someone does with their body?

We care and it's our business if someone slashes their wrists or blows their brains out. I see this as somewhat comparable. Since the crazy bitch has had her breasts removed it's obvious that she won't be breast-feeding the child. Breast-feeding has been shown to boost an infant's immune system, so I'd call that child abuse. She (it, whatever) should be legally compelled to have an abortion forthwith.

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#16 2008-11-14 7:03 pm

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Any woman who's had a titjob also can't breastfeed.


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#17 2008-11-14 7:08 pm

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Chickenhawk wrote:

Any woman who's had a titjob also can't breastfeed.

That's not true.


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#18 2008-11-14 7:13 pm

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hm, looks like I was wrong.
regardless, there are still many situations where a mother can't or should not breastfeed, HIV infection being one.


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#19 2008-11-14 7:19 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

chopping off your tits and taking some hormones doesn't make you a male. until she can change her dna she will remain a female, regardless of how much she plays dress-up.

I don't see how a woman getting pregnant is news worthy.

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#20 2008-11-14 8:09 pm

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1. Instill fear.
2. ???????? (use your imagination)
3. Profit!

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#21 2008-11-14 8:40 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

Donkey Butter wrote:

chopping off your tits and taking some hormones doesn't make you a male. until she can change her dna she will remain a female, regardless of how much she plays dress-up.

I don't see how a woman getting pregnant is news worthy.

I wouldn't pretend to understand what transsexuals have to deal with (and I'm assuming you don't know, either) but I'm pretty sure it is the result of more than simply a desire to "play dress-up."  That's what transvestites do.


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#22 2008-11-14 9:24 pm

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Re: Man Having Another Baby!!!

I've seen some crazy fetishes, mostly out of Japan; but lactating for sexual purposes? Wow. That's a new one.

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#23 2008-11-14 9:47 pm

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You should get out more often. wink


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#24 2008-11-14 10:27 pm

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Hell, I'm just concerned that's one of the more tame I've seen.


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#25 2008-11-14 10:44 pm

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Chickenhawk wrote:

uh, they never ask "women and children first"
its always "families with small children. "

smurf families with small children, it's me first, because I have a lot of SkyMiles.  tongue


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