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Phew! I was beginning to lose my faith in this place!

Pariah wrote:

The problem with Illinois Democrats is the same problem that lead to the surge in Republican scandals in Washington: Way too much solidarity within the party ranks.
Loyalty is good but cared too far it creates a context where corruption and ugly behavior can flourish.

Party loyalty is a disaster, because it almost invariably replaces "thinking". Instead, we get people who vote based on the D or the R. I really wish there was either many parties, or no parties.

radarman wrote:

Pariah wrote:

The problem with Illinois Democrats is the same problem that lead to the surge in Republican scandals in Washington: Way too much solidarity within the party ranks.
Loyalty is good but cared too far it creates a context where corruption and ugly behavior can flourish.

Party loyalty is a disaster, because it almost invariably replaces "thinking". Instead, we get people who vote based on the D or the R. I really wish there was either many parties, or no parties.

That is part of why I generally preffer Democrats over Republicans. While there are exception like Illinois where the Dems have a serious problem in state government, Nationally Dems do not walk in zombie lock step like the republicans do.
The great diversity on the democrat side is much healthier than the hive mind of the Reps.

There are reasons I have the opinion I do of Democrats.
Perhaps now some of you understand.

Farmerkev wrote:

There are reasons I have the opinion I do of Democrats.
Perhaps now some of you understand.

I would agree that Democrats are pretty bad in Illinois but if you lived where I do you would understand my complete contempt for Republicans.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

There are reasons I have the opinion I do of Democrats.
Perhaps now some of you understand.

Did you feel your opinions had been misunderstood up until this point?

Not misunderstood as much as thought of as bullsmurf.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Not misunderstood as much as thought of as bullsmurf.

Corrupt politicians come in all flavors.  Your opinion of Illinois state politicians was thought of as bullsmurf?

I believe I was talking about Democrats.

Farmerkev wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Not misunderstood as much as thought of as bullsmurf.

Corrupt politicians come in all flavors.  Your opinion of Illinois state politicians was thought of as bullsmurf?

I believe I was talking about Democrats.

Wasn't the las Ill gov, who also was corrupt, a republican?

And weren't you saying Obama got his senate seat because the previous republican senator was corrupt? I don't see a reason to believe it's just the ill dems that are corrupt, based on what you've said.

Farmerkev wrote:

I believe I was talking about Democrats.

So people think it's "bullsmurf" that you base your opinion of a national party on your exposure to the state politics of one out of fifty states?  Here I thought you simply rejected them because of their policies!

Obama got elected Senator after sealed court records about Jack and Jeri (7 of 9) Ryan's divorce. Before the release he was so far behind winning wasn't even considered. Oddly enough the exact same thing happened to Blair Hull, another Obama opponent.

Didn't the guy back out of the race?

(Interesting side note, the LA times sued to have the Ryan divorce records unsealed.
They refused to release the Obama attending the anti Israel dinner video. Small world isn't it.)

Is it "interesting?"  Do you know why they refused to release it?

I just think it is funny as smurf that after the last eight years of Republican idiocy that Kev has the gall to keep defending them.
Man, talk about not being able to learn.

Let's keep to the topic and let the barbs to people fall by the wayside.

I think I live closer to Chi, and have a closer knowledge of area politics (Cook, DuPage, Lake Counties etc) than perhaps anyone here. Reading some of the generalizations is kind of funny. (Side Q- Kev, you're a downstater, no?)

Anyhoo RB held a press conference (sorry, no link; busy. Videos all over for the finding). He vowed to "fight, fight, fight" this thing "until his dying breath." Assuming he doesn't expect to be executed over this, sounded like his inner drama queen and martyr were fighting for elbow room in the spotlight. He doesn't really have much flair for theater, and methinks the lady doth protest too much.