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#1 2009-01-05 11:38 am
Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
Hello to all,
Over the Xmas break, I built myself an all new all singing - Stainless Steel Gas fired Barbeque.
The BBQ is a bit special... in that apart from the more usual features, it also includes;
• Electro-mechanical Rotisserie
• Electro-mechanical Sausage Turner
• Built in (Altec Lansing) Speaker System with SW
• 12V Halogen Spot Lights for cooking at night (popular pastime - down under)
• Insulated Ice Well - for the mandatory Beer & Wine.
All the above is fully installed and operational and is also Mobile (on Wheels) so
that it can be used anywhere at anytime - just needs 240V power from a standard
domestic electrical extension lead.
Having done all that... I've committed a cardinal sin... in that I've also installed
an Airport Express Unit... (to facilitate the Audio System) and that by necessity is
fitted inside the BBQ's Electrical Panel - which is inside the S/S panelwork of the BBQ
all of which is of course "metal enclosure". (Faraday Cage ?)
I want to send my iTunes music wirelessly - to the BBQ ??? (it really does sound good)
It is working as it is.... but suffers from regular interuption and/or network disconnects ?
Now, I have read about what others have said and complained of here... about the
unreliability of Apples wireless networking and signal drop-out, and these people
do not seem to have my added problem/disadvantage - of the metal enclosure.
So I'm unsure if my experiences in Wireless performance are Mac OSX related
or the handicap of where I have my AE situated (inside the BBQ Panels)
All this brings me to my Question here; (sorry for the verbosity of detail)
Is there a device... that perhaps plugs-in to the USB port of the AE to provide some
kind of trailing wire or antenna ? Which when discreetly fed outside the metal enclosure,
will better receive or induce any lost wireless signals - which may currently be attenuated
or adversely affected - by the BBQ's metal enclosure ??
(I'm thinking of what used to be common thing - with the early Clock Radios
of the 80's)
All help and suggestion for a solution - will be warmly appreciated (no pun intended)
and..... Thanks again - for listening.
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#2 2009-01-05 12:11 pm
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Re: Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
This looks promising.
http://bounav.free.fr/mods/ae_external_antenna/
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#3 2009-01-05 1:15 pm
Re: Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
Hello DV,
Many thanks for your input and actual link - to the details...
I will look into this .....shortly 
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#4 2009-01-05 4:28 pm
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Re: Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
How about one more Airport in the close vicinity of the BBQ ? Or, what's the distance between your 2 airports now ?
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#5 2009-01-05 4:44 pm
Re: Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
Hi Nefarious,
The current distance (straight line) to the BBQ - is approximately 50 ft.... and the signal Source (my iMac) is indoors and so only need to pass through a single brick wall. However, if I wanted to move the BBQ out into the open back yard... (use its mobility).... that distance becomes an infinate variable ?
One person (elsewhere) has suggested using a second AX mounted external to the BBQ - connecting the two via ethernet cable..? But if I follow that idea.... I may as well just mount the existing AX externally - then use a longer Cable back to the Speakers !! I'm afraid thats not the Wireless solution - I was seeking.
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#6 2009-01-05 5:34 pm
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Re: Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
Perhaps you should try to take the BBQ's stainless steel case out of the equation (at least temporarily) by attaching its AirPort Express (AE) to a short extension cord to the outside of the BBQ's case. It could be that the signal from your other AE may be attenuated due to other reasons like metalic backing to your house's insulation or by another wireless network in the area which is using the same channel as yours.
If your problem turns out to be interference from another WiFi, try setting your AEs to a specific channel: most WiFi use channel 11 by default (including AirPort), so try using channel 1 or (if that is also occupied) 6. While there is an automatic setting for AirPorts, I've found in my particular situation that choosing a channel substantially helped. Remember that there can be other sources of interference, some temporary like wireless phones that only interfere when being used, so this may not fix the problem permanently.
If the problem is due to something about your house interfering with the signal, then you might try Nefarious' idea of getting a third AE to act as a signal booster to get to the one on the BBQ.
If the BBQ case is the culprit, then your option may be to add an antenna that gets outside the case.
Something just occured to me: how hot does it get inside the box where the AE resides on the BBQ? I presume that this is somehow insulated or separated from the oven part, but if it gets too hot this may cause the AE to malfunction.
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#7 2009-01-05 6:07 pm
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Hi D'Eyncourt,
I just downloaded and used iStumble... to get a handle on the current WiFi Signal values
and any set parameters. I found the channel was set at 6 - with frequency of 2437.
(no other WiFi networks - are reported in the area)
Surprisingly; values shown with iStumble for Airport Express Base Station Networked to iMac - are as follows;
1. With AX in situ inside BBQ enclosure; Signal = 47%, Noise = 7%
2. With AX outside BBQ enclosure; Signal= 43%, Noise = 15%
3. With AX outside BBQ enclosure - well away & elevated; Signal = 51%, Noise = 15%
4. With AX indoors - within 10ft of iMac; Signal = 56-60%, Noise = 9-12% (sampled every second)
How Hot.... you ask?
All the electricals are down at 9" above floor level and the zone for the Service Panel is both insulated and very well ventilated... and therefore completely unaffected by what is happening on the BBQ (3 ft above) However, our ambient outdoor temp range here in Brisbane (and also - inside the Service Panel)... will range between the averages of; 9ºC Min up to 32ºC Max - year around. (we are lucky)
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#8 2009-01-05 6:56 pm
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From your thorough explanation, my guess is that the source of your interference is something temporary like a 2.4 Ghz-band wireless phone--either yours or a neighbor's, depending on how close the houses are--which is causing the problem. There are other non-obvious problem makers for the 2.4 GHz band. One is a type of light (usually used outdoors) which used microwaves to excite its lighting element, and the microwaves it used were in the 2.4 GHz band (not likely in your situation, just an example of a non-computer usage).
You might let iStumbler run on your iMac and see if it records some burst of traffic/noise in the 2.4 GHz band and see if that coordinates with problems you have with the BBQ unit. As to tracking it down once you determine that it isn't anything on your property...well, good luck. Short of getting a directional antenna to at least limit the possible directions or wandering around with iStumbler on a portable Mac I'm not sure what to do to further pin down your interference source.
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#9 2009-01-05 7:10 pm
Re: Any Suggestions - for solution to Wireless Reception
Thanks.... D'Eyncourt,
My only remaining query are: What are the design Signal/Noise value for;
a) Perfect reception in ideal conditions.
b) Threshold value - for unacceptable Signal/Noise.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and considerations made...
Short of opening the AX... yes, it looks like a booster antenna is on the Cards.
Regards,
Larry
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