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#1 2009-01-12 11:15 pm
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Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/world … mp;emc=rss
But voices of dissent in this country have been rare. And while tens of thousands have poured into the streets of world capitals demonstrating against the Israeli military operation, antiwar rallies here have struggled to draw 1,000 participants. The Peace Now organization has received many messages from supporters telling it to stay out of the streets on this one.
As the editorial page of The Jerusalem Post put it on Monday, the world must be wondering, do Israelis really believe that everybody is wrong and they alone are right?
The answer is yes.
“It is very frustrating for us not to be understood,” remarked Yoel Esteron, editor of a daily business newspaper called Calcalist. “Almost 100 percent of Israelis feel that the world is hypocritical. Where was the world when our cities were rocketed for eight years and our soldier was kidnapped? Why should we care about the world’s view now?”
Indeed.
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#2 2009-01-12 11:42 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
What is that 100% figure based on?
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#3 2009-01-13 3:55 am
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
Sounds like a figure the guy-on-the-street pulled out of his backside.
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#5 2009-01-13 8:08 am
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
This is sure to improve their image:
"In briefings senior [Israel Defense Forces] officers conducted for foreign diplomats, they admitted the shelling to which IDF forces in Jabalya were responding did not originate from the school," Gunness said. "The IDF admitted in that briefing that the attack on the UN site was unintentional."
It's always best to accuse an international aid organization of harboring terrorists after you accidentally bomb them.
Link.
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#6 2009-01-13 11:10 am
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
This is great news. It means they don't need to trade with anyone, they don't need diplomatic support and they certainly don't need massive amounts of military and economic aid.
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#7 2009-01-13 11:36 am
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
...especially with Olmert basically bragging about how he demanded that the U.S. abstain from the UN resolution vote. How embarrassing.
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#8 2009-01-13 12:08 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
bratboy wrote:
...especially with Olmert basically bragging about how he demanded that the U.S. abstain from the UN resolution vote. How embarrassing.
I'm not buying PM Olmert's story. I don't know how / why the US voted the way it did, but Olmert's bragging that he pulled President Bush out, while making a speech, to make the President call Sec Rice to change her vote sounds like baloney.
Seems like more of a "I'm so important" story. Kinda thing you'd hear from the Governor of Illinois.
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#9 2009-01-13 12:19 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
I agree, but it's still embarrassing given that we'll keep shoveling them cash anyway.
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#10 2009-01-13 9:24 pm
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I wonder how much longer that will last. I don't see wholesale support for Israel continuing. Granted, given its faults, it is the only real liberal democracy in the region. But Zionism was a bad policy then and it's a bad policy now.
I'm beginning to think we should just explode a dirty bomb in the "holy land" so that no one can live there for a few thousand years...
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#11 2009-01-13 9:53 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
bratboy wrote:
I agree, but it's still embarrassing given that we'll keep shoveling them cash anyway.
Exactly. The White House has denied the story to the hilt, but the point is, many Israeli leaders feel like they can boss America around.
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#12 2009-01-14 2:50 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
They probably won't care about this, either:
JERUSALEM — Nine Israeli human rights groups called on Wednesday for an investigation into whether Israeli officials had committed war crimes in Gaza since tens of thousands of civilians there have nowhere to flee, the health system has collapsed, many are without electricity and running water, and some are beyond the reach of rescue teams.
“This kind of fighting constitutes a blatant violation of the laws of warfare and raises the suspicion, which we ask be investigated, of the commission of war crimes,” the groups said in their first news conference on the 19-day-old war.
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#13 2009-01-14 3:04 pm
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#14 2009-01-14 8:46 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
ShnickyShnack wrote:
B...b...but the children were sheltering t'rr'r'sts! They did this to themselves!
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#15 2009-01-14 8:52 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
jkahless wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
B...b...but the children were sheltering t'rr'r'sts! They did this to themselves!
It's been fairly well documented that Hamas tries to keep as many women and children as possible around military targets - specifically for this reason. People go smurf insane when a child is killed or harmed, and fail to pay attention to how it happened. The US has killed plenty of children in wars, as has nearly every other nation that has gone to war. It's bad, but sometimes it's an accident, sometimes its unavoidable.
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#16 2009-01-14 9:08 pm
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WAR?
hmmm....
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#17 2009-01-14 9:17 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
radarman wrote:
jkahless wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
B...b...but the children were sheltering t'rr'r'sts! They did this to themselves!
It's been fairly well documented that Hamas tries to keep as many women and children as possible around military targets - specifically for this reason. People go smurf insane when a child is killed or harmed, and fail to pay attention to how it happened. The US has killed plenty of children in wars, as has nearly every other nation that has gone to war. It's bad, but sometimes it's an accident, sometimes its unavoidable.
Right. Which totally justifies things like cutting off electricity to hospitals and attacking ambulances and medical centres. Israel claims that some militants are using them as cover, but since the Israeli government is illegally preventing the press from entering Gaza, there's no way to tell. And considering the kneejerk reaction whenever they do something unsavory (like shelling a school being used as a civilian shelter) is to claim there were militants using it as cover, even when that's not true, I don't trust them any more than I trust Hamas.
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#18 2009-01-14 9:21 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."
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#19 2009-01-14 9:32 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
radarman wrote:
jkahless wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
B...b...but the children were sheltering t'rr'r'sts! They did this to themselves!
It's been fairly well documented that Hamas tries to keep as many women and children as possible around military targets - specifically for this reason. People go smurf insane when a child is killed or harmed, and fail to pay attention to how it happened. The US has killed plenty of children in wars, as has nearly every other nation that has gone to war. It's bad, but sometimes it's an accident, sometimes its unavoidable.
Exactly! Ain't nothin' wrong with killin' kids as long as there are ter'rists around!
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#20 2009-01-14 9:32 pm
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Killed for not committing enough war crimes eh?
Just like back in Saigon! Eh, slick?
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#21 2009-01-14 9:34 pm
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wut
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#22 2009-01-14 11:11 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
Where was the world when our cities were rocketed for eight years and our soldier was kidnapped?
It was busy sanctioning Israel.
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#23 2009-01-14 11:17 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
ShnickyShnack wrote:
radarman wrote:
jkahless wrote:
B...b...but the children were sheltering t'rr'r'sts! They did this to themselves!It's been fairly well documented that Hamas tries to keep as many women and children as possible around military targets - specifically for this reason. People go smurf insane when a child is killed or harmed, and fail to pay attention to how it happened. The US has killed plenty of children in wars, as has nearly every other nation that has gone to war. It's bad, but sometimes it's an accident, sometimes its unavoidable.
Exactly! Ain't nothin' wrong with killin' kids as long as there are ter'rists around!
No, but there is somethin wrong with placing the blame squarely on the side that isn't taking cover next to children.
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#24 2009-01-14 11:39 pm
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Two very simple questions -
1) What did Hamas hope to gain by firing thousands of rockets into Israel?
2) Has firing rockets into Israel ever resulting in that kind of gain?
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#25 2009-01-14 11:42 pm
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Re: Israel to world: we really don't give a damn what you think.
Some1 wrote:
ShnickyShnack wrote:
radarman wrote:
It's been fairly well documented that Hamas tries to keep as many women and children as possible around military targets - specifically for this reason. People go smurf insane when a child is killed or harmed, and fail to pay attention to how it happened. The US has killed plenty of children in wars, as has nearly every other nation that has gone to war. It's bad, but sometimes it's an accident, sometimes its unavoidable.Exactly! Ain't nothin' wrong with killin' kids as long as there are ter'rists around!
No, but there is somethin wrong with placing the blame squarely on the side that isn't taking cover next to children.
Who over here is doing that? Do you see anyone proclaiming Hamas as pure and innocent?
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