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Smart Aleck!

I don't really know how this war started but I don't care. This is still a crime against humanity. Many people including women and children are suffering due to their continuous act of violence. I hope sometime in the near future both countries would stop this madness. They should give peace a chance.

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Some1 wrote:

Do you ever post constructive arguments, or do you just spout sarcastic anti-Israeli rhetoric?

As opposed to your post, I guess.

Let me fill you in again:  You've missed countless numbers of very long and in-depth threads on this subject.  It's a bit silly for you to categorize his posting based on two pages.

Oh, and before your mind wanders too far--he's jewish.

Having some Jewish heritage does not automagically make his perspective any more fair or correct than anyone elses.
I'm probably more German than he is Jewish - not only in lineage (I'm roughly 3/4 German), but my mother was actually born there. I don't ever claim that makes me somehow more knowledgeable on anything German, nor do I think it gives me some magic untouchable perspective when I criticize Germany (which I have done on many occasions).

Wow, I think you just invented a new fallacy.

What's latin for "assholish questioning of opponent's ancestry?"

The reason my being Jewish is important is pretty simple: I have a bigger stake in what happens to Israel than you do. Those are my people over there, numbnuts.

And by the way I'd have expected you of all people to understand: it's not a question of whether or not some great-grandmother lived on a Polish shtetl -- you're either Jewish or you're not.

God, what an ape.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Having some Jewish heritage does not automagically make his perspective any more fair or correct than anyone elses.
I'm probably more German than he is Jewish - not only in lineage (I'm roughly 3/4 German), but my mother was actually born there. I don't ever claim that makes me somehow more knowledgeable on anything German, nor do I think it gives me some magic untouchable perspective when I criticize Germany (which I have done on many occasions).

That's weird...of the jews I know, none of them talk about the exact amount of 'jewish' that they are (unless they happen to have only one parent who's jewish).

My point is that he's probably not being 'anti-Semitic,' a charge which people love to toss around when this subject comes up and one which I believe the poster in question was quite close to.

I note that you once again have opted to ignore my post regarding the blockade.

ALJAWZEERRA!!!

I never inferred anti-semitism on Shnicky's part.

As for the blockade, there needs to be a free flow of humanitarian aid. However this aid needs to be distributed by NGOs and cannot be controlled by Hamas to be used to influence the Palestinian populace

Closing the crossings does nothing more than fortify Hamas' position of power in Gaza, as it leaves their tunnels as the only method of importing and exporting goods, which means they can use it to extend their control over Gaza.

radarman wrote:

Oh, come on. People have been painting on munitions for quite a while. I've know I've seen pictures of Navy missiles with writing scrawled on the side - though I can't seem to find them now.

No need to look.  Military folk have been writing things on bombs for as long as they've had bombs to lob.

Having the kids write love letters on them just seems a little more perverse than usual.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Good thing Israelis don't care what the world thinks.

Yes. That is sick.
It is not exclusive to Israel, however. Extremist Islamic schools use similar sick and twisted tactics to indoctrinate their children.

That doesn't make it right, and to be frank, it isn't right (or funny) when adult soldiers do it either.

I really hope Israel loses. I don't understand why we give these guys so much money to kill Palestinians with.

It's awesome when you kill a hundred times more of your opponent's civilians than they kill your military.

Gaza is quite densely populated.  Are refugees allowed to flee the fighting?

radarman wrote:

adndgamer wrote:

I really hope Israel loses. I don't understand why we give these guys so much money to kill Palestinians with.

They are trying to get Hamas to stop firing rockets into their country. Why would you hope that they lose? So Hamas sends MORE rockets?

I get that the Palestinians are the underdog, and we all love to root for the underdog, but Hamas has practically begged for this war.

Uh ... when do you expect the rockets to stop falling on Israel?

resedit wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

It's awesome when you kill a hundred times more of your opponent's civilians than they kill your military.

No one has suggested any such thing.

Delusional, dude. Granted, the subject is Lebanon, but the idea track reality quite closely.

UPDATE:  In October of this year, Haaretz published a report regarding the strategies  the IDF intended to use to fight "the next war."  The article's title:  "IDF plans to use disproportionate force in next war":
In an interview Friday with the daily Yedioth Ahronoth, [GOC Northern Command Gadi] Eisenkot presented his "Dahiyah Doctrine," under which the IDF would expand its destructive power beyond what it demonstrated two years ago against the Beirut suburb of Dahiyah, considered a Hezbollah stronghold.
"We will wield disproportionate power against every village from which shots are fired on Israel, and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases," he said. "This isn't a suggestion. This is a plan that has already been authorized" . . . .
Major General (Res.) Giora Eiland, formerly head of the National Security Council, belongs to a similar school of thought, and even goes a step further.
He believes Israel failed in the Second Lebanon War and is liable to fail in a third such war, because it is fighting the wrong enemy:  Hezbollah, instead of the state of Lebanon itself. . . .
Eiland recommends preemptive action: that Israel pass a clear message to the Lebanese government, as soon as possible, stating that in the next war, the Lebanese army will be destroyed, as will the civilian infrastructure.
It's a bit hard to deny that this is Israel's strategy and intent when their own military officials (and their own President) openly proclaim that it is.  In an excellent and well-documented article today in Salon, Robert Bryce documents how so much of what Israel is able to do in this regard is funded and supplied by the U.S., including not only huge amounts of cash and weapons, but also fuel resources for which the U.S. itself has a substantial need.  Is there anyone who actually believes that this assault has advanced Israeli interests, to say nothing of American interests?

via Glenn Greenwald

none so blind as he who will not see...