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Daniel wrote:

Do we make private sellers of cars start a dealership just to sell their used car?  No.  Why should we do that to gun owners?

I don't recall any recent incidents of someone buying a car from a private seller and using it in a college campus killing spree.  Apples and oranges.

Last edited by DevoDoc (2009-01-21 2:04 pm)

I hope King Barry rams an Uzi up your ass.

Assault Weapon Ban? More like Scary Guns Regardless Of Their Capabilities Ban

I don't want any more restrictions on gun ownership than there already are.

avkills wrote:

There should be a 30-day waiting period on all guns purchased whether at a gun show, store, private seller, along with a background check.

There is no reason anyone needs a M-16 or an AK-47; if firing those gets you a hard-on, well join the military and get your gun off.

-mark

Nobody really needs a car. Nobody really needs a cell phone. Nobody really needs to be free from random searches, or to not have a cop live in your home to keep you out of trouble either.

Freedom is about want. Freedom is about desire.

I want a gun. I want many guns. I have many guns. I have a gun I built by my own hand with tools in the garage. I made gunpowder by my own hands.

You think a several hundred year old technology should require a background check?

How about a 5 gallon can of gas and a box of matches? The worst mass murder in US history was conducted with that.

You can keep your 30 day waiting period and background checks. You have been seriously misled if you thought those worked anyways.

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Please keep the posts on a civil debate level.

Jdude wrote:

Freedom is about want. Freedom is about desire.

I want a gun. I want many guns. I have many guns. I have a gun I built by my own hand with tools in the garage. I made gunpowder by my own hands.

If you can't wait 30 days for something you want, then chances are you intend to use it for something other than recreational use.

I laugh real hard about how they like to have gun shops next to bars and liquor stores.  Good combo.

-mark

Last edited by avkills (2009-01-21 5:36 pm)

avkills wrote:

Jdude wrote:

Freedom is about want. Freedom is about desire.

I want a gun. I want many guns. I have many guns. I have a gun I built by my own hand with tools in the garage. I made gunpowder by my own hands.

If you can't wait 30 days for something you want, then chances are you intend to use it for something other than recreational use.

Well with your logic, I'll be happy to restrict all of your purchase for 30 days excluding basic food items.
Kitchen knives? You don't need them right now.
New car? Congrats, come pick it up in a month.
Shoes? THose are fine for a bit longer.
Pizza delivery? Great, guaranteed 30 days and 30 minutes or less (but not less than 30 days.)

I laugh real hard about how they like to have gun shops next to bars and liquor stores.  Good combo.

-mark

Who is they? More importantly, can you cite where this is actually a problem? You act like people have no self control. Would you be bothered with an alcohol shop near an auto dealership? How about near a laundry mat?

I think it's interesting that political proposals sometimes talk about making legislation permanent, as if any governing body has the ability to do that.

A law may be made indefinite, but not permanent. If any future governing body decides to overrule such legislation, then said legislation would be overturned without regard for previous governing bodies.

"Assault weapons" bans will never be permanent. And there are many Democrats who wouldn't support such thing.

avkills wrote:

DevoDoc wrote:

avkills wrote:

There is no reason anyone needs a M-16 or an AK-47; if firing those gets you a hard-on, well join the military and get your gun off.

You say that now, but we'll see who's laughing when the post-armageddon mutants are after your brains.

I prefer RPGs in that situation.

-mark

So how many Armageddons you been thru in your 38 years, young'un?

Oh, here; nearly forgot- but it's a non-issue. 'Fact, it can't've happened.

BRADENTON, Fla. - An 81-year-old actor is recovering after being accidentally shot during a dress rehearsal with a gun that was supposed to be empty.

The incident happened Sunday on the final practice run by a seniors theater group for their production of John Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men."

One actor picked up a pistol he had borrowed from another cast member and fired it at the head of fellow actor Fred Kellerman, who was playing the character Lenny. At the end of the play, Lenny takes a fatal gunshot to the head.
..

The gun was supplied by a member of the Sarasota Senior Theater group, Bradenton police said. The group had used the gun in the past as a prop, but the member told police she did not check to see if the gun was loaded when she brought it for the show Sunday.

The actor who pulled the trigger, who is also the president of the group and the play's director, told police "it was stupid" not to check to make sure the gun was empty.

It was even more stupid to use a real gun. Prop guns have plugged bores to prevent projectiles of any real size, let 'lone bullets from live ammo, thru, even propelled by blanks. This is why.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28775677/

Last edited by Bat (2009-01-21 5:58 pm)

avkills wrote:

You can't be serious can you?  Yes alcohol does nothing to loosens ones inhibitions and self control.  I think I could wait 30 days for a car.

All of those items you listed can't be used to mow down hundreds of people in a matter a seconds -- except for the car.

If you're comparing buying shoes and ordering pizzas for delivery as the same thing as purchasing lethal firearms then you have some major thought issues going on.

-mark

You would be willing to wait 30 days to receive a car after you have paid for it and had a background check? Huh. I wouldn't put up with that. Security for liberty, and all that.

Shoes, eh? Funny you should say that. According to the FBI, people used hands and feet twice as often (854 times) to kill someone last year as they did those scary assault rifles (450 times) you mentioned earlier.

So if the alcohol shop was 10 miles away from the gun store, instead of across the street, would that change anything? Can you prove it either way?

Jdude wrote:

Pariah wrote:

But then I love my Pit Bull

I don't know if one can love a gun the same way one can love a pet. Yet if you own multiple dogs - even the scary ones like pits (ar 15s) and rotts (ak 47s) - a regulation demanding a 30 day wait, no kennels near alcohol shops (curse the infamous they!) and a background check would be a bit onerous. That is how I feel about my guns. I don't love them, but I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me that an AR-15 should only be used by those in the military and restrict me to a ruger mini - 14 for hunting.

On the same note, I don't think people should restrict you from a pit bull and say you can only own one of those floofy yappers.

Don't you think it is a bit silly to be hunting with an AR15?  I mean yeah, if the smurf is hitting the fan and that is all you have...

Don't most people use bolt action rifles for hunting?

-mark

Jdude wrote:

avkills wrote:

Jdude wrote:

Freedom is about want. Freedom is about desire.

I want a gun. I want many guns. I have many guns. I have a gun I built by my own hand with tools in the garage. I made gunpowder by my own hands.

If you can't wait 30 days for something you want, then chances are you intend to use it for something other than recreational use.

Well with your logic, I'll be happy to restrict all of your purchase for 30 days excluding basic food items.
Kitchen knives? You don't need them right now.
New car? Congrats, come pick it up in a month.
Shoes? THose are fine for a bit longer.
Pizza delivery? Great, guaranteed 30 days and 30 minutes or less (but not less than 30 days.)

Indeed, cause those were all specifically designed and refined over centuries specifically to kill things. 

I have no problems with guns, but I think the gun nuts who don't think that there should be any safeguards or restrictions are smurfing stupid.  Way I see it, anyone should be able to own a gun, after taking an in depth gun use and safety course including gun would specific first aid and the necessary background checks.  They're a piece of dangerous machinery, and I know full well how important good training is.