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Pariah wrote:

As a side note, the price for a 1/4 oz of incredibly potent pot just fell by half from $30 to $15. So goes the war on pot.

Am I missing a joke here?  I could see it being $15 for a 1/4 of an EIGHTH.. so 1/32 oz.  A 1/4th oz will usually run around $100-120 if it's any good.

adndgamer wrote:

Pariah wrote:

As a side note, the price for a 1/4 oz of incredibly potent pot just fell by half from $30 to $15. So goes the war on pot.

Am I missing a joke here?  I could see it being $15 for a 1/4 of an EIGHTH.. so 1/32 oz.  A 1/4th oz will usually run around $100-120 if it's any good.

Prices vary greatly depending on location.

daemon wrote:

adndgamer wrote:

Pariah wrote:

As a side note, the price for a 1/4 oz of incredibly potent pot just fell by half from $30 to $15. So goes the war on pot.

Am I missing a joke here?  I could see it being $15 for a 1/4 of an EIGHTH.. so 1/32 oz.  A 1/4th oz will usually run around $100-120 if it's any good.

Huh.


Does it cost that much to grow?

No. You can literally walk into the woods, dig a tiny hloe, bury a couple seeds, take a piss on it, come back in a few months and if the animals, bugs, nature in general or the drug warrior gangs haven't gotten to them- you will have pot. Not great pot mind you, but pot none-the-less. Hang, dry, sell/donate/smoke.

And on a side note- the reason pot cost is so high is because of it's legal status and the risks involved.

Last edited by zoees (2009-02-05 10:41 am)

zoees wrote:

And on a side note- the reason pot cost is so high is because of it's legal status and the risks involved.

Exactly.

adndgamer wrote:

daemon wrote:

adndgamer wrote:

Am I missing a joke here?  I could see it being $15 for a 1/4 of an EIGHTH.. so 1/32 oz.  A 1/4th oz will usually run around $100-120 if it's any good.

Huh.


Does it cost that much to grow?

Well, think about it...

You have to run pumps (for watering), fans (for air circulation) and lighting (a number of 600W bulbs for long periods of time).  There's a high energy and material cost that goes into just making the plants grow.  Then you have all the hours you're spending practicing horticulture.  The cost of the fertilizers (hydroponic fertilizers aren't cheap).  And then once it's grown (something like a couple to a few months), you need to cut it, dry it, and discard the refuse. All very time consuming acts. Then it needs to be trimmed up before it can be sold.  On top of all of this (hundreds of hours of work and much $$ later), it's illegal to do. A felony in fact. 

You need to make sure that the money gained is worth the months of risk and labor and costs (energy and materials). And besides, even after you do that, then you don't just make the money. You need to break it down into large bundles and sell them at a reduced cost to dealers who will then break down further and get them to the actual end-user.

The only way it makes sense to do on as a money-maker is if you do it in a place where there is little risk of you going to jail for 10-15 years, and where you can grow LOTS of it to offset the other costs involved.

I should say a lot of that cost is only necessary due to the product's illegal nature. If one could get away with planting it outdoors, then many of those expenses would not exist.

zoees wrote:

"The only way it makes sense to do on as a money-maker is if you do it in a place where there is little risk of you going to jail for 10-15 years, and where you can grow LOTS of it to offset the other costs involved."

Or, buy in bulk (pounds) and sell in much smaller amounts ( quarter oz.'s). This involves lot's of contacts and time. It also attracts more attention than one normally wants. More contacts equals more risk. But risk equals cash so. . .

There really isn't as much money for the average pot head in dealing it. Most dealers "deal" to cut down on their own costs. And being everyone's reliable hook-up has it's perks as well.

I was referring to the growing, not dealing, which is an entirely different ballgame.  Growing is expensive, unless, as somebody said, it could be done outside.

sturner wrote:

Last year the authorities discovered two extensive pot planting in the Dallas area, on public ground, in unvisited, unused, and difficult to get to areas.

Very little risk, especially after the news broke the story. Never caught the planters.

When the cops use the term "extensive", it could mean two plants- mostly comprised of about three leaves, a couple seeds and they probably count the main stalk including the dirt attached to the rootball.

Look, I'm not doubting that it does happen. But I do believe that this is blown out of proportion in order for the ONDCP to be able to turn around and say, " See we told you it would be anarchy if we let Prop 215 pass". It's the "F" in FUD.

zoees wrote:

adndgamer wrote:

zoees wrote:

"The only way it makes sense to do on as a money-maker is if you do it in a place where there is little risk of you going to jail for 10-15 years, and where you can grow LOTS of it to offset the other costs involved."

Or, buy in bulk (pounds) and sell in much smaller amounts ( quarter oz.'s). This involves lot's of contacts and time. It also attracts more attention than one normally wants. More contacts equals more risk. But risk equals cash so. . .

There really isn't as much money for the average pot head in dealing it. Most dealers "deal" to cut down on their own costs. And being everyone's reliable hook-up has it's perks as well.

I was referring to the growing, not dealing, which is an entirely different ballgame.  Growing is expensive, unless, as somebody said, it could be done outside.

I don't know. I could get two 600W HPS bulbs and ballasts, MH separate bulbs thrown in for free for about 300$ at a local store. Throw in the dirt and a few buckets, 50$. A fan from just about anything, free. Watering jug, 5$ for a really nice one a Target.  A timer to keep the 18/6 cycle going until the magic time when it changes.

So I'll say for about 500$ and change you could grow up to twelve healthy plants every 3 months and spend no more time than I already do on my houseplants (actually houseplants require quite a bit more care). The extra money for the electric bill will be negligible, besides the electric company is a business so they are not going to turn you in if your bill all of a sudden goes up 75$, whatever. Yet another myth.

Your first harvest will pay for everything. And then some. Maybe even enough to go to Disney- all cash of course and tax free. Keep a job for the bills that require a papertrail and put the rest in mason jars for cash only purposes.

And there's only one rule: DON"T TELL ANYONE.

Class over.

I wouldn't be surprised if utility companies tip off the cops to grow houses. Especially if the house is a hazard. It really isn't all that hard to figure out how much power the average house in a neighborhood consumes, and when you zoom past it by a factor of three or so, that's a good sign something is up. Also, the utility records would be admissible in court, and you would have a hard time explaining why you were using so much electricity - unless you were trying to play Crysis in extra-high detail...

Also, once the cops get the tip, they can use thermal imagers to examine your house. Unless you have good insulation, you are going to have hot spots that can be used to get a warrant to search.

That said, if you have a steady supply of propane or gasoline, you could run your own generator. Properly insulate, or build in a basement, and you would be nearly undetectable. You would need to be out in the countryside a bit, but that's likely already true now. There was a case a while back in Kentucky where a guy built a fantastic grow house in his basement, and powered it with a generator. Had he been more careful about his buyers, he might still be in business.

Not to mention the cost of the big piece of netting strung overhead painted to look like a swimming pool from the air....

Bat wrote:

I kind of expected to find at least one person posting that professional swimming has suspended him, and he's already lost one major endorsement contract. Instead it turned into a pot-growing tutorial.

Dunno, maybe this should be retitled "How to grow the Phelps weed" or sumfin'.

You have to remember, his suspension is three months.  If I'm not mistaken, much of that he wasn't going to be training anyways.  Plus, everyone knows there's nothing immoral about smoking weed, so why bother arguing it?

Ah, he is back training.  Well, he's a millionaire, and isn't competing for more than three months, I think he'll do fine.  And truth be told, I'm much more concerned about the drunk driving.  I think that one should have their license suspended for a considerable time if they're driving drunk.  A few months on your first offense, and permanently on your second.

As for Mr. Phelps- there are, by now, volumes of blogs and whatnot out there. Everything there is to say about him has been said.

Either people flat out don't give two smurfs or they are using his experience to further their own agenda. Whatever.

The only problem I see with it is the fact that now they (staunch, no-pleasure, anti-drug fux) have to admit that they like and admire Mr. Phelps and there-in lies the issue. How can you like a guy that did something that goes against everything they are tying to push?

I used to think it was the money and maybe the power. Somehow I don't think it's either. The people who are most against it also have the least amount of truthful knowledge about it. It's easy to poke at something you know most people have very little understanding of.

It's all rather sad and shameful, IMHO.

More fallout.

Michael Phelps' world has already lost at least one sponsor after a picture of him smoking from a bong was published by a British tabloid. Now it seems others will pay a price as well.

Eight people have been arrested in connection with the pot-smoking picture, WIS-TV in Columbia, S.C. reported. According to the report, seven people have been charged with drug possession and one person with distribution.

Phelps was not one of the people charged.

Police have confiscated the bong from the picture, according to the report, after the bong's owner tried to sell the paraphernalia for $100,000 on eBay. The owner was not at the party when Phelps was photographed.

Richland County sheriff's department, which last week said it was considering pursuing charges against Phelps, could not confirm or deny the TV station's report.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/92 … bong-photo

(Sidebar: 'In the wake of Kellogg Co. dropping Michael Phelps, marijuana legalization advocates are urging the boycott of Kellogg products.'.. and I thought soccer moms were mean. )