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#1 2009-02-12 2:15 pm

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Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Apple's 'Less for More' Strategy

We can see that Apple really do "Think Different". We know this because 'upgrades' mean something a little different to Apple than most producers.

Perhaps we can all learn from their upgrade model. Surreptitiously stripping away features, adding eye candy and then hiking the prices seems to the winning strategy.
 
**Keynote 09 - Export to Flash (.swf) removed. You don't know this until you've bought it. (A little honesty upfront would be nice)

**iMovie 08
Any and all decent editing features present in iMovie 06 were removed to put some distance between iMovie and Final Cut Pro and encourage people to fork out for the editing suite. It begs the question: you wanna play with movies? iMovie is the ticket. You want to edit movies? With iMovie? Don't be ridiculous.

New Aluminum Macbooks (from Autumn 2008)
Firewire port removed on 13" Macbooks but left on 15" Macbook Pros.
With measly other cosmetic features, the price hiked from £699.00 to £929.

White Macbook RAM downgraded from 2Gb Standard to 1 Gb standard.
Price increased from £699 to £719.
(This has since been changed back to 2Gb).

These veiled rips-off make a complete mockery of customers. Rather sadly, I'm afraid, loyalty to Apple has had its day.

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#2 2009-02-12 2:20 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Come on ... Tell us how you really feel.


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#3 2009-02-12 2:21 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Wow. First post on the forums and it is a completely disparaging one.

Can't say I don't agree on several of your points but still.

Anyways, welcome to the forums!


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#4 2009-02-12 2:24 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Apple Detractors Have Killed This Forum

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#5 2009-02-12 2:50 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

roll

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#6 2009-02-12 2:54 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

petelingo wrote:

**Keynote 09 - Export to Flash (.swf) removed. You don't know this until you've bought it. (A little honesty upfront would be nice)

Can't say why they dropped it, though with the current issues with Flash 10 and the tension between Adobe and Apple right now I'm not totally surprised.

**iMovie 08
Any and all decent editing features present in iMovie 06 were removed to put some distance between iMovie and Final Cut Pro and encourage people to fork out for the editing suite. It begs the question: you wanna play with movies? iMovie is the ticket. You want to edit movies? With iMovie? Don't be ridiculous.

While I agree iMovie 08 was a step back in functionality, it has since been replaced and it did make several improvements that along with 06's functionality made it into said replacement.

New Aluminum Macbooks (from Autumn 2008)
Firewire port removed on 13" Macbooks but left on 15" Macbook Pros.
With measly other cosmetic features, the price hiked from £699.00 to £929.

You are comparing the old low end MacBook and the what technically could still be considered the new midrange MacBook. I don't disagree with you on them ditching FireWire; I understand why they did it, but I don't like it. Beyond that there were a lot of non-cosmetic changes.

White Macbook RAM downgraded from 2Gb Standard to 1 Gb standard.
Price increased from £699 to £719.
(This has since been changed back to 2Gb).

The new White MacBook has 2 GB of RAM standard the old 2.0 GHz White MacBook had 1 GB of RAM standard, while the 2.4 GHz White MacBook had 2 GB of RAM standard.

Beyond that the rates of exchange have changed since Apple set their prices on the products last revision. Here in the US the price on the low end white model stayed $999 (currently £703) & $1299 (currently £914) for the low and midrange models but $1 US is still technically worth $1 US.

Getting facts straight would really enhance your case.

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#7 2009-02-12 2:56 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

My guess; petelingo will post ..
- no other post: 40%
- less than 5 posts: 40%
- stay on the forum: 20%


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#8 2009-02-12 3:12 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

does he realize he screwed up the title


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#9 2009-02-12 3:22 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Har!

Though considering he is from England maybe is a opposite from what we find logical thing (sort of like driving on the left side of the road). It could maybe be intended "More money for less value" rather than "Less value for more money" as we would put it.

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#10 2009-02-12 4:26 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

ScifiterX wrote:

Har!

Though considering he is from England maybe is a opposite from what we find logical thing (sort of like driving on the left side of the road). It could maybe be intended "More money for less value" rather than "Less value for more money" as we would put it.

I doubt that, look at the first line of the post, it is reversed there.

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#11 2009-02-12 5:02 pm

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Har! Then yeah, that is screwed up. I like Pirlouis odds BTW.

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#12 2009-02-12 6:46 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

petelingo wrote:

These veiled rips-off make a complete mockery of customers. Rather sadly, I'm afraid, loyalty to Apple has had its day.

It will get worse before it gets better.


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#13 2009-02-12 9:19 pm

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My guess is that Apple dropped FW from the Al MacBook due to space constraints. That, and outside of pro use, it's just never really caught on. No one is going to be 100% happy with design choices. I've hardly ever used the optical drive in my MacBook in almost three years except to burn a couple discs and install some software. I would have preferred that they ditched the optical drive in the MB and put an ExpressCard slot and FW instead (or maybe a media card reader). I would be happy using a drive over a network for the few times I need it, or using an external. But others would complain a lot.

As for Flash, it's bloated, gets used for far too many things and should die a horrible painful death.


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#14 2009-02-12 9:29 pm

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One of the more infamous and contentious threads in the history of the Battlefront was a debate over the relative merits of FireWire and USB 2.0. The original poster wondered what the point of USB 2.0 was when FireWire was already on the market? Fast forward to six years later, and a new report from research firm In-Stat is predicting that FireWire is doomed to be a niche interface.

FireWire, also known as IEEE 1394, comes in two flavors: the original 400Mbps and the 800Mbps FireWire 800. Both formats have been championed primarily by Apple, and FireWire 400 ports have been present across Apple's entire product line since the introduction of the second-generation clamshell iBook in September 2000. It also became the interface of choice for digital camcorders and a common option for external hard drives.

Despite the best efforts of its backers, In-Stat notes that at its peak, FireWire never attained more than a 33 percent share of the PC market. In contrast, virtually every PC sold over the past several years contains multiple USB 2.0 ports. USB 2.0's popularity with PC makers has resulted in just about every popular peripheral known to humankind being made available with a USB 2.0 interface, leaving FireWire as a wallflower at the connectivity dance.
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Part of USB 2.0's success in supplanting FireWire as the high-speed connectivity interface of choice has to do with cost. Initially, FireWire's IP owners demanded royalties of $1.00 per port (later dropped to 25¢ per system) from manufacturers, which turned some OEMs off. In contrast, Intel strongly backed USB 2.0 and quickly integrated support into its chipsets, where FireWire was usually available in PC systems only in the form of a PCI card add-on. As a result, FireWire's advantages over USB 2.0—like being able to support multiple hosts per bus and peer-to-peer device communication—were rendered irrelevant, and the interface is being relegated to niche status in the PC and peripheral market.

Ars, 6/27/07

Currently, eSATA is preferred for external hard drives.


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#15 2009-02-12 9:33 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Unfortunately you don't see a lot of laptops with eSATA, particularly Apple laptops, and when you do it's usually a third party expansion.

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#16 2009-02-12 9:54 pm

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1999:  http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/p … 4_500.html
On October 13, 1999, Apple infamously "speed dumped" this model -- introducing a "higher-end" version of the slower Power Macintosh G4/450 (AGP Graphics) with the model number M7825LL/A and the same configuration and price as the 500 MHz model (differing only in speed).


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#17 2009-02-12 9:58 pm

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Apple announces iTools "Free For Life".  http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2002/07/21.1.shtml

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#18 2009-02-12 10:55 pm

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What happens when you leave one Internet Service Provider (ISP) for another? Usually it means that you have to change your email [sic] address. And that means re-subscribing to mailing lists, notifying friends, family, and colleagues about your new address, and changing account settings at the Apple Store, Amazon, and other online vendors. But it doesn't have to be painful to switch ISPs. Not if you have a Mac.com email account. One of the four Internet services that are part of iTools, a Mac.com account is a snap to set up and easy to remember. That's because you use your member name ("ulysses") as part of your email address ("ulysses@mac.com"), so as long as you remember your name, you'll remember your address. Mac.com also provides all the features you need in an email account, including auto reply and mail forwarding. What's more, you can keep it as long as you like and use it with any ISP you sign up with, so even if you switch -- from AOL to EarthLink, let's say -- you can still get your mail delivered to your Mac.com address.

This came from an eNews (Volume 3, Issue 24 and, while it does not say "free forever," it certainly implies it. On many forums some suggest that the "free forever" bit for mac.com e-mail is an urban legend, but, like most legends, there is a nugget of truth that fuels it and keeps it alive. There may be other examples of implied "free forever" mac.com e-mail in Apple's literature. If you run across any please let us know.

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#19 2009-02-12 11:08 pm

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Tweaked fore formatting purposes

Tetrachloride wrote:

1999:  http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/p … 4_500.html

On October 13, 1999, Apple infamously "speed dumped" this model -- introducing a "higher-end" version of the slower Power Macintosh G4/450 (AGP Graphics) with the model number M7825LL/A and the same configuration and price as the 500 MHz model (differing only in speed).

Ironically the link to the speed dumped unit is more informative.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/p … 4_450.html

Due to a shortage of 450 MHz PowerPC 7400 (G4) processors, on October 13, 1999, Apple infamously "speed dumped" this model -- introducing the Power Macintosh G4/400 (AGP Graphics) with the model number M7824LL/A and the same configuration and price as the 450 MHz model (differing only in speed), and introduced the M7825LL/A configuration of this model -- equipped with 256 MB of RAM, a 27 GB hard drive, a 5X DVD-RAM drive, and a higher price tag -- US$3499.

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#20 2009-02-12 11:21 pm

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So how does the PowerPC 7400 compare to the CPU inside the 2nd gen iPod Touch? (511 Mhz I believe).

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#21 2009-02-12 11:56 pm

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Finding out that 10.5 didn't support Classic via an unhelpful dialog was a bit of a kick in the pants the first time I tried. sad

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#22 2009-02-13 12:23 am

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

I know it well before that but I'd been watching the reports on the betas for a while.

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#23 2009-02-13 12:42 am

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The G4 clockspeed issue was unfortunate, but not really Apple's fault. Motorola couldn't fab the 500 and yields on the 450 were poor, initially, so basically the 3 models (500/450/400) were each downgraded by 50 MHz until yields improved. Pricing, tho, might've been better handled.


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#24 2009-02-13 12:42 am

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

~Coxy wrote:

Finding out that 10.5 didn't support Classic via an unhelpful dialog was a bit of a kick in the pants the first time I tried. sad

I'm just curious now, what did you use Classic for in November 2008?

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#25 2009-02-13 9:06 am

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Re: Apple's 'More For Less' Strategy

Booksley wrote:

~Coxy wrote:

Finding out that 10.5 didn't support Classic via an unhelpful dialog was a bit of a kick in the pants the first time I tried. sad

I'm just curious now, what did you use Classic for in November 2008?

Quark, an old game, or in some cases, damn near everything. You'd be amazed what software people still have kicking around, and a lot of them WILL NOT UPGRADE. Some kind of "I paid for it once, dammit" reaction.


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