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#101 2009-03-10 5:11 pm
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
My Mac Mini Arrived today ($599 model) I immediately upgraded the Hard Drive myself to 320GB 7200RPM 16MB cache drive from Seagate. I should have a 4GB RAM upgrade arrive tomorrow. We will see, I have not been able to use it yet as I have been waiting for it to install/transfer....
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#102 2009-03-10 7:40 pm
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
how easy is it to upgrade this time as opposed to originallY?
also grats!
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#103 2009-03-10 7:51 pm
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
personified8 wrote:
how easy is it to upgrade this time as opposed to originallY?
also grats!
This Mini is similar to the original to upgrade/take apart, they could have made it so much easier for the consumer to upgrade (I am an Apple trained tech) but they decided to go the extra step to make it more difficult, I think to discourage people from upgrading it themselves. They probably feel that if they sell a computer for so cheap (in Apple terms) that they can make a bit of extra money charging for custom configs and much too expensive upgrades.
Early 2009 Mac Mini, 2.0Ghz Snow Leopard C2D/4GB/320GB/Dual 20"+22" LCD Displays
Power Mac G5 2Ghz, 3GB, 10.5 Leopard, internal 20X DVD/RW, BT, 23"LCD
2.2Ghz Black MacBook (Late 2007) 2GB/160GB/GMA X3100/Snow Leopard
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#104 2009-03-10 8:33 pm
Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
That said, I'm not a trained tech myself but I maxed out the ram on two so far no problem (sis's G4 1.25 & my C2D 1.83) and am quite willing to upgrade the drives in both units. Then again the Power Macintosh 4400/200 brain was also a royal PITA SOB to open up.
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#105 2009-03-10 10:11 pm
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
macrule413 wrote:
personified8 wrote:
how easy is it to upgrade this time as opposed to originallY?
also grats!This Mini is similar to the original to upgrade/take apart, they could have made it so much easier for the consumer to upgrade (I am an Apple trained tech) but they decided to go the extra step to make it more difficult, I think to discourage people from upgrading it themselves. They probably feel that if they sell a computer for so cheap (in Apple terms) that they can make a bit of extra money charging for custom configs and much too expensive upgrades.
It sux Apple sux like this. Very discouraging really.
I'm definitely going to wait on this update. At least until SL. Then maybe but maybe not even. I mean the mini - SL is in.
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#106 2009-03-14 1:59 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
personified8 wrote:
thanks for the links.
It sucks that nvidia is entering disaster mode. I just prefer their vid cards.
More on the ongoing renaming
More on disaster mode
ATi's drivers are pretty good these days. NV's may have come back, but a couple of years ago, MS' crash logs showed NV video drivers responsible for 1/3 of all Vista crashes. Both support OpenGL 3.0, I think even in their *nix drivers.
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#107 2009-03-14 8:01 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
ScifiterX wrote:
That said, I'm not a trained tech myself but I maxed out the ram on two so far no problem (sis's G4 1.25 & my C2D 1.83) and am quite willing to upgrade the drives in both units. Then again the Power Macintosh 4400/200 brain was also a royal PITA SOB to open up.
In the 2009 Mini, you have to remove the central drive assembly to get the the ram which is placed completely underneath it (lying flat and stacked like the PowerBook G4 Aluminum, etc.). To upgrade the hard drive you need to remove the entire drive assembly, the optical drive, SATA reiser card, airport/bluetooth cables and antennas (3) and 4 screws holding in the hard drive. They could have made it easier but they decided to make it harder instead.
Early 2009 Mac Mini, 2.0Ghz Snow Leopard C2D/4GB/320GB/Dual 20"+22" LCD Displays
Power Mac G5 2Ghz, 3GB, 10.5 Leopard, internal 20X DVD/RW, BT, 23"LCD
2.2Ghz Black MacBook (Late 2007) 2GB/160GB/GMA X3100/Snow Leopard
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#108 2009-03-14 8:19 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
macrule413 wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
That said, I'm not a trained tech myself but I maxed out the ram on two so far no problem (sis's G4 1.25 & my C2D 1.83) and am quite willing to upgrade the drives in both units. Then again the Power Macintosh 4400/200 brain was also a royal PITA SOB to open up.
In the 2009 Mini, you have to remove the central drive assembly to get the the ram which is placed completely underneath it (lying flat and stacked like the PowerBook G4 Aluminum, etc.). To upgrade the hard drive you need to remove the entire drive assembly, the optical drive, SATA reiser card, airport/bluetooth cables and antennas (3) and 4 screws holding in the hard drive. They could have made it easier but they decided to make it harder instead.
So you expect Apple to make it easy for people to upgrade and tinker with their hardware??
You don't know Apple very well.
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#109 2009-03-14 8:30 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
Kool-Aid Guzzler wrote:
macrule413 wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
That said, I'm not a trained tech myself but I maxed out the ram on two so far no problem (sis's G4 1.25 & my C2D 1.83) and am quite willing to upgrade the drives in both units. Then again the Power Macintosh 4400/200 brain was also a royal PITA SOB to open up.
In the 2009 Mini, you have to remove the central drive assembly to get the the ram which is placed completely underneath it (lying flat and stacked like the PowerBook G4 Aluminum, etc.). To upgrade the hard drive you need to remove the entire drive assembly, the optical drive, SATA reiser card, airport/bluetooth cables and antennas (3) and 4 screws holding in the hard drive. They could have made it easier but they decided to make it harder instead.
So you expect Apple to make it easy for people to upgrade and tinker with their hardware??
You don't know Apple very well.
Actual yes, with the super easy RAM and Hard Drive upgrades in their MacBooks, I would have at-least thought they would have made it just as "easy" not harder. Its obvious they want to make as much money with the Mini by charging their high upgrade prices when you buy a new one. Apple has really failed in the affordable PC market, where they could easily beat out many other makers by just making it easy to upgrade (external Ram upgrade slot etc.) Really why would you sell a computer with just 1GB ram these days? They know you need more even for the most basic needs, and they expect EVERY customer to upgrade/custom order. At the base $599 Apple is making a good profit with their 1GB Ram/120GB Hard drive config since these must cost them just DOLLARS each.
Early 2009 Mac Mini, 2.0Ghz Snow Leopard C2D/4GB/320GB/Dual 20"+22" LCD Displays
Power Mac G5 2Ghz, 3GB, 10.5 Leopard, internal 20X DVD/RW, BT, 23"LCD
2.2Ghz Black MacBook (Late 2007) 2GB/160GB/GMA X3100/Snow Leopard
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#110 2009-03-14 9:43 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
macrule413 wrote:
Its obvious they want to make as much money with the Mini by charging their high upgrade prices when you buy a new one.......Apple has really failed in the affordable PC market
Yes, they want to make as much money as possible, and yes, they have failed the affordable PC market. Are you just realizing this? This thread must be very enlightening for you...... 
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#111 2009-03-14 11:00 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
macrule413 wrote:
In the 2009 Mini, you have to remove the central drive assembly to get the the ram which is placed completely underneath it (lying flat and stacked like the PowerBook G4 Aluminum, etc.). To upgrade the hard drive you need to remove the entire drive assembly, the optical drive, SATA reiser card, airport/bluetooth cables and antennas (3) and 4 screws holding in the hard drive. They could have made it easier but they decided to make it harder instead.
Reminds me of the nightmare I had upgrading the RAM and HD in my original BondiBlue iMac 233 over 10 years ago. THAT was a bastard of a machine to take apart and reassemble.
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#112 2009-03-14 11:05 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
I had to replace the hard drive in my Mom's iMac G5. It was easy unless you have a serious tool handicap. I've taken my Blue & White G3 completely apart before; and modified the case so I could put a bigger hard drive into the corner at one point.
The current towers are easy as pie to add stuff in.
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#113 2009-03-14 11:13 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
avkills wrote:
I had to replace the hard drive in my Mom's iMac G5. It was easy unless you have a serious tool handicap. I've taken my Blue & White G3 completely apart before; and modified the case so I could put a bigger hard drive into the corner at one point.
The current towers are easy as pie to add stuff in.
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It's weird how Apple expect to be able to charge more for something that people value. What are they thinking??
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#114 2009-03-14 11:47 am
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
Graphic Autist wrote:
macrule413 wrote:
In the 2009 Mini, you have to remove the central drive assembly to get the the ram which is placed completely underneath it (lying flat and stacked like the PowerBook G4 Aluminum, etc.). To upgrade the hard drive you need to remove the entire drive assembly, the optical drive, SATA reiser card, airport/bluetooth cables and antennas (3) and 4 screws holding in the hard drive. They could have made it easier but they decided to make it harder instead.
Reminds me of the nightmare I had upgrading the RAM and HD in my original BondiBlue iMac 233 over 10 years ago. THAT was a bastard of a machine to take apart and reassemble.
Well that was partly due to the fact that it was a CRT monitor with computer parts stuffed around it. Ever take a CRT monitor or TV apart before -- that is also a pain in the ass.
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#115 2009-03-14 12:13 pm
Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
macrule413 wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
That said, I'm not a trained tech myself but I maxed out the ram on two so far no problem (sis's G4 1.25 & my C2D 1.83) and am quite willing to upgrade the drives in both units. Then again the Power Macintosh 4400/200 brain was also a royal PITA SOB to open up.
In the 2009 Mini, you have to remove the central drive assembly to get the the ram which is placed completely underneath it (lying flat and stacked like the PowerBook G4 Aluminum, etc.). To upgrade the hard drive you need to remove the entire drive assembly, the optical drive, SATA reiser card, airport/bluetooth cables and antennas (3) and 4 screws holding in the hard drive. They could have made it easier but they decided to make it harder instead.
Which means it is set up the same way as any other Intel Mini. You will note above that I stated I have an Intel Mini and I have worked on it (and more importantly I am comfortable doing so again).
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#116 2009-04-20 10:00 pm
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Re: Where is everyone ... new imac .. mac pro ... and mini
Aaron_R wrote:
I'm amazed at the new iMacs. You used to get sub-par graphic options with it (slower cards + less VRAM), but now you can put the same graphic card that the new Mac Pro uses! 1799 for a Nvidia 256 GT 120, add 150 and you got the 512 GT 130 that performes better than the Mac Pro standards 512 Gt 120 add another mere 50 and you get Radeon HD 4850 with 512, while not as beast like as the 4870 it still kicks ass!
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This is certainly a heat issue with iMacs - they are part of Steve's quiet computer philosophy and depend primarily on convection-cooling. Actually a nice feature in the iMacs.
Well, something seems to be causing a problem- or perhaps exacerbating one, pushing a somewhat hot-running chip over the line:
Apple Computers are marketed on the fact that they have fewer problems, fewer viruses and are often viewed as more secure than the Windows-based competition. At the same time, Windows machines are marketed as cheaper than the Mac machines offered from Apple.
Apple has seen its market share climb in recent years with more users of the machines out there more viruses and exploits have been surfacing aimed at Mac computers. There have also been more glitches found inside Mac hardware. AppleInsider reports that some new iMac owners are reporting a video issue relating to the ATI Radeon HD 4850 video card inside some of the machines.
Owners of these machines are reporting that the system frequently freezes randomly causing the user to reboot. The freeze issues are not related to software running at the time of the freeze in Mac OS X. However, some users are saying that the freeze issue happens when running Windows in a Boot Camp partition where drivers or Mac software would not be the cause of an issue.
This isn’t the first graphics glitch for the iMac; a similar issue was noted in 2007 when the new aluminum iMac machines launched. In that instance the freeze would allow some programs to continue running, this time around the entire system halts. With the 2007 glitch, Apple was able to fix the problem with a firmware update.
There are threads on the Apple support forums relating to the issue and according to AppleInsider, Apple is aware of the issue. Some owners who have called the support line have been told that a fix is in the works and is expected to be rolled out with the Mac OS X 10.5.7 update. A few users report that replacement systems have been offered after troubleshooting failed. If this is a hardware problem, replacement systems may suffer from the same issue though.
Owners of ATI Radeon-equipped iMacs Reporting Graphics Problems
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