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I just finished writing a comment to my Governor, Rick Perry, God help me. I told him that if that's the way he felt, I would support his resignation.

I don't want to see Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison as Governor, either, she's as smarmy and nasty as he is.

Texas is just one of several states, Indiana senate passed theirs on the 9th.

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/200 … y-growing/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? … geId=88218

Makes me sick to my stomach thinking about how much my fellow citizens here don't even consider what their taxes bring them. What is so funny is that if Texas were a sovering nation, then they would have to institute a personal income tax (of which there isn't any at the moment) and I suspect that it would be much higher than that of the Federal government.

After all we would have to secure the southern border, institute defenses and coast guard activites, regulations that the feds now monitor would have to be monitored by Texas, there would be less money for all of the roads, the health services, the schools, there would be the drug lords from Mexico and SA to combat, and most of the major companies now located in Texas wouldn't be here, unless they could pay less for the labor.

All of the military bases, which there are several would be gone, along with their payroll, and if we got a bad hurricane, Washington wouldn't step in and help.

Farmerkev wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Texas is just one of several states, Indiana senate passed theirs on the 9th.

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/200 ... y-growing/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=88218

One of several states whose governors declared that they can secede any time they want?

Several that are sending the message to DC that they are starting to push too far.
That's what this is about and it's something some people need to listen to.

How exactly is DC pushing too far?

Farmerkev wrote:

Several that are sending the message to DC that they are starting to push too far.
That's what this is about and it's something some people need to listen to.

Oh come on, please tell me you're not buying into this teabagging nonsense!

Chickenhawk wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

One of several states whose governors declared that they can secede any time they want?

Several that are sending the message to DC that they are starting to push too far.
That's what this is about and it's something some people need to listen to.

How exactly is DC pushing too far?

So far the common thread among it is money instead of race this time.
The list of reasons from the states and tea parties runs from unfunded mandates forced on the states to general overspending in DC with a few other causes in between.

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Several that are sending the message to DC that they are starting to push too far.
That's what this is about and it's something some people need to listen to.

Oh come on, please tell me you're not buying into this teabagging nonsense!

I seem to recall that it started with tea party as in a play on the Boston tea party and tea bags being sent to make the point.
The teabagging is a liberal joke as far as I can tell being told to belittle the protesters and divert from their message.

I think Krugman has it right:

One way to get a good sense of the current state of the G.O.P., and also to see how little has really changed, is to look at the “tea parties” that have been held in a number of places already, and will be held across the country on Wednesday. These parties — antitaxation demonstrations that are supposed to evoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution — have been the subject of considerable mockery, and rightly so.

But everything that critics mock about these parties has long been standard practice within the Republican Party.

Thus, President Obama is being called a “socialist” who seeks to destroy capitalism. Why? Because he wants to raise the tax rate on the highest-income Americans back to, um, about 10 percentage points less than it was for most of the Reagan administration. Bizarre.

But the charge of socialism is being thrown around only because “liberal” doesn’t seem to carry the punch it used to. And if you go back just a few years, you find top Republican figures making equally bizarre claims about what liberals were up to. Remember when Karl Rove declared that liberals wanted to offer “therapy and understanding” to the 9/11 terrorists?

Then there are the claims made at some recent tea-party events that Mr. Obama wasn’t born in America, which follow on earlier claims that he is a secret Muslim. Crazy stuff — but nowhere near as crazy as the claims, during the last Democratic administration, that the Clintons were murderers, claims that were supported by a campaign of innuendo on the part of big-league conservative media outlets and figures, especially Rush Limbaugh.

Speaking of Mr. Limbaugh: the most impressive thing about his role right now is the fealty he is able to demand from the rest of the right. The abject apologies he has extracted from Republican politicians who briefly dared to criticize him have been right out of Stalinist show trials. But while it’s new to have a talk-radio host in that role, ferocious party discipline has been the norm since the 1990s, when Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, became known as “The Hammer” in part because of the way he took political retribution on opponents.

Going back to those tea parties, Mr. DeLay, a fierce opponent of the theory of evolution — he famously suggested that the teaching of evolution led to the Columbine school massacre — also foreshadowed the denunciations of evolution that have emerged at some of the parties.

Last but not least: it turns out that the tea parties don’t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They’re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News.

But that’s nothing new, and AstroTurf has worked well for Republicans in the past. The most notable example was the “spontaneous” riot back in 2000 — actually orchestrated by G.O.P. strategists — that shut down the presidential vote recount in Florida’s Miami-Dade County.

Link.

Kev, the tea bag parties are so diluted in message I don't think you can say what it is really for.

There are no taxes being adovcated, that taxes are too high (not this administrations fault), gun control advocacy, plus others.

What is the message? That they don't want more taxes? That the deficit is too big? They shouldn't have voted for Bush, in that case.

Opinions on taxes seem to remain somewhat constant.

One example:

Farmerkev wrote:

You've got states passing 10th amendment resolutions directed squarely at the federal government to make a statement.

Huh?  You never fixed your links.

You've got people from both parties taking part in the tea parties.
I don't think you should divorce these things but realize they are the same symptom.

Have they honestly convinced you that the teabagging is part of some massive social movement? 

Mission accomplished, I guess!

I love how CNN uncritically recalls Rick Santelli's disgusting and embarrassing rant on CNBC:

The embers turned into a raging fire when later that month, CNBC personality Rick Santelli went off on Obama's policies live on air.

"The government is promoting bad behavior," Santelli said, asking why Obama would make Americans who pay their bills subsidize the mortgages of "losers."

Santelli said he wanted a tea party to happen in Chicago, Illinois, to stand up and angrily demand "No more."

Cheers erupted behind him on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange floor and a video of the rant became viral, drawing comparisons of Santelli to Howard Beale, the fictional "mad as hell" anchorman in the 1976 movie "Network."

The outrage spread, prompting rallies in the Midwest and the South.

Then there's this:

Not everyone disapproves of Obama's tax policies. In March, 62 percent of people taking a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said they approved how Obama is handling taxes. The sampling error was plus or minus 4.5 percent.

Ah yes, "not everyone" seems to be an understatement. 

Link.

Last edited by bratboy (2009-04-15 11:01 pm)