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At least he's more popular than Dick Cheney.

No, I'm not obsessed, OK?

Before competing in the Miss California USA competition, all prospective contestants are required to sign a detailed 12-page contract prohibiting Miss California USA from making personal appearances, giving interviews or making commercials without permission from pageant officials.

The contract also contains a clause asking participants to disclose whether they have conducted themselves "in accordance with the highest ethical and moral standards." It asks participants whether they have ever been photographed nude or partially nude.

After Trump spoke, Prejean, who was accompanied by her parents, took her turn at the lectern, defending herself against "hateful attacks, despicable rumors and false allegations."

"On April 19 on that stage I exercised my freedom of speech, and I was punished for doing so," said Prejean, who described Hilton's question as "politically charged" with a "hidden personal agenda."

"This should not happen in America," she said.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Prejean said she was briefly tempted by Satan to answer Hilton's question in a way that would please the judges.

"I had worked so hard for this," she said.

Instead, she decided to give her honest opinion, even if it cost her points.

"The Lord was in my heart and in my head just saying, 'Carrie, how bad do you want this? Are you willing to deny me?'" she said. "I will always continue to not compromise my values."

Prejean said she had forgiven the people who attacked her for expressing her views, including Hilton.

Trump's senior executive assistant, Rhona Graff-Ricci, said Trump wouldn't answer further questions about Prejean's dealings with the marriage group. Officials at the Miss Universe Organization, which runs Miss USA, didn't immediately return a message Tuesday.

Prejean told the AP that she was not working with the National Organization for Marriage.

She said she was confident she and pageant officials could work together despite past tensions.

"The most important thing now is we are moving forward," she said. "We have a relationship now."

After the pageant, Prejean revisited the same-sex-marriage issue in interviews and televised talks, including one at her San Diego megachurch and another on behalf of the marriage group.

On Tuesday, the group featured a photo of Prejean on its Web site and said it had launched a new advertisement against gay marriage featuring footage of her at the pageant. The ad also features video of Hilton referring to Prejean with a profanity.

The Miss Universe Organization has demanded that the group remove the ad. Brian Brown, the National Organization for Marriage's executive director, said the group did not plan to comply.

Prejean said Tuesday that she had received thousands of letters and e-mails from supporters.

Hilton, whose real name is Mario Lavandeira, is best known for his blog but has also branched into gay rights advocacy.

Huh. Another no-URL mention of a blogger. I think it's intentional. Anyone famous primarily on the net is always at least site-cited.

Anyway, neither Hilton nor I nor anyone I've seen have attacked her for expressing her views. The views themselves are the issue.

Then, there's her whole fit for the role of Miss Cali/USA, really. Her 'moving forward' seems to mean she gets to do what she and the bigot group what they want without conseqences.

Rules and 'smoking gun' evidence be damned. Ivory Snow notwithstanding.

Plus, check out her trumping-Trump gloating smile in the photo:
http://www.gainesville.com/article/2009 … eeps-crown

Lastly, I find the Hooters pageant-style competitions much better, overall.

So this is what the righty shriek wagon has been reduced to...strawmanning to hold onto a pageant crown.  I'm loving it.

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=703

"Right! Are we on Candid Camera?"

Last edited by daemon (2009-05-13 10:24 am)

Perhaps Pariah could weigh in, but those "unintentionally" topless photos certain appear like she's posing.

At the very least she was wearing garments that could be expected to expose more than she claims to have wanted to, and is she really claiming that the photographer didn't have legal authorization to sell those photos ?

[edit] What am I doing here ?  Accepting that this "issue" is worth "debating" ?  I'm embarrassed with myself.

Last edited by JakeTheTall (2009-05-13 1:09 pm)

In the interest of full disclosure I gotta say I think perez hilton is an insufferable smurf and an incredibly trivial person.

Frankly I think he embodies a stereotype that is extremely bad for the Gay Rights movement.

He is to the gay rights movement what Amos and Andy were to the civil rights movement.

Well, there's also the fact that they way Hilton acted was absolutely awful and wrong. I don't see anyone really picking up on that. I understand that the left is supposed to be accepting and everything, but they are really on average no more accepting than the right is.

What accepting means is actually being open to everyone's opinion, even those that oppose yours. Just because she doesn't think same sex marriage should be legal doesn't mean she's a stupid bitch. It's her opinion. And for him to get so riled up about that is despicable. His reaction did more damage to the same sex supporting community than it helped, and that's too bad. He only has himself to blame.

It's a shame, 'cause now I'm going to have an even harder time trying to convince people that same-sex marriage is okay, 'cause already I have people saying that the community that supports it is clearly immature and intolerant of other people's views.

::sigh:: Oh well.

Perez Hilton's smurf behaviour is no doubt why he was put on the damn thing to begin with.

The fact remains, getting upset about something a TV nonentity says is smurfing pathetic. Next you know we'll be playing the OMG OUTRAGE card against that smurf on American Idol. And that kitchen show.

And shall we aim our fire at Fox and Rush?

bratboy wrote:

Pariah wrote:

In the interest of full disclosure I gotta say I think perez hilton is an insufferable smurf and an incredibly trivial person.

Frankly I think he embodies a stereotype that is extremely bad for the Gay Rights movement.

He is to the gay rights movement what Amos and Andy were to the civil rights movement.

I don't disagree with your initial assessment (I can't stand him), but "homosexuals" as a group are so diverse that any number of individuals could be considered as detrimental to the "movement" (whereas heterosexuals never face similar comparisons).  I don't think he represents it, in any event.

Personally, I don't know anyone who cares for perez hilton.

Hiltin was chosen because he fits a certain stereotype.
Here is what I see in the entertainment industry:
Pretending to be gay supportive while very often exploiting ridiculous and/or demeaning stereotypes. Much in the same way for many years TV exploited dreadful black stereotypes.

Basically Hilton is a whore who is shucking and jiving.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Pariah wrote:

bratboy wrote:

I don't disagree with your initial assessment (I can't stand him), but "homosexuals" as a group are so diverse that any number of individuals could be considered as detrimental to the "movement" (whereas heterosexuals never face similar comparisons).  I don't think he represents it, in any event.

Personally, I don't know anyone who cares for perez hilton.

Hiltin was chosen because he fits a certain stereotype.
Here is what I see in the entertainment industry:
Pretending to be gay supportive while very often exploiting ridiculous and/or demeaning stereotypes. Much in the same way for many years TV exploited dreadful black stereotypes.

Basically Hilton is a whore who is shucking and jiving.

Like a gay Uncle Tom?

Exactly.

I used to actually know Michael Musto about 20 years ago.