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#1 2009-05-01 12:10 pm

barrfid_od
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Jesus H


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#2 2009-05-01 12:18 pm

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Re: Jesus H

I have been going on about the 3 app restriction for some time ... it's ridiculous.


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#3 2009-05-01 1:41 pm

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Re: Jesus H

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/30/swit … r-edition/

"Hello, I'm a Mac."
"And I'm a PC."
PC is trying to juggle.
"Hey, PC. What's with the juggling act?"
"It's my new operating system. See, it only lets me run three programs at a time so I need to stop doing one thing when I want to do another. Really keeps me on my toes thinking about which three programs I should use. Of course, I could upgrade to a more expensive version that gives me the capabilities I should have had from the beginning."
PC drops the balls.
"Hmm, really? Every Mac lets you run as many programs as you want out of the box."
"Well, that would be nice. I'd sure like to send someone an e-mail about that."
"That's a good idea, PC. Why don't you?"
"Because I had to quit my e-mail program to say that."
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#4 2009-05-01 2:25 pm

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Re: Jesus H

From what I understand "Windows 7 Starter" is there to save netbook OEMs money, and be a hinderance to the end user. I imagine its basically a trial of the OS, after which point you need to buy a "Full Version" of it.

Of course I'm talking from a dishonest position here, as Microsoft probably won't see a dime of my money apart from my Xbox-live subscription.

Basically for each netbook MS will be able to sell windows twice. Once to the OEM, and once more to the consumer.

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#5 2009-05-01 4:53 pm

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Re: Jesus H

MS's eventual demise has been apparent to me for about 5 years now.  This is just one more nail in the very large coffin.

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#6 2009-05-01 11:53 pm

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Re: Jesus H

There are three things you can count on in life: death, taxes, and Microsoft.


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#7 2009-05-02 7:58 am

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Re: Jesus H

Some1 wrote:

From what I understand "Windows 7 Starter" is there to save netbook OEMs money, and be a hinderance to the end user. I imagine its basically a trial of the OS, after which point you need to buy a "Full Version" of it.

Of course I'm talking from a dishonest position here, as Microsoft probably won't see a dime of my money apart from my Xbox-live subscription.

Basically for each netbook MS will be able to sell windows twice. Once to the OEM, and once more to the consumer.

Indeed you're right. They want to "compete" with cheap Linux netbooks. The difference is that Linux on them won't be crippled at all.

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#8 2009-05-02 5:59 pm

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Re: Jesus H

Well not anymore crippled than Linux on a desktop is. ROFL


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#9 2009-05-02 6:10 pm

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Re: Jesus H

mrreet2001 wrote:

Well not anymore crippled than Linux on a desktop is. ROFL

How exactly is linux crippled?


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#10 2009-05-03 10:24 pm

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Re: Jesus H

From reports from my friend using a pirated version of Windows 7 RC, it runs very well on his netbook, faster than XP, with improved battery life.

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#11 2009-05-03 11:01 pm

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Re: Jesus H

Some1 wrote:

From reports from my friend using a pirated version of Windows 7 RC, it runs very well on his netbook, faster than XP, with improved battery life.

He couldn't wait two more days? W7 RC1 goes public 5/5.


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#12 2009-05-04 9:26 am

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Re: Jesus H

He's been using since sometime last week.

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#13 2009-05-04 9:28 am

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Re: Jesus H

Chickenhawk wrote:

mrreet2001 wrote:

Well not anymore crippled than Linux on a desktop is. ROFL

How exactly is linux crippled?

No itunes foo.


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#14 2009-05-04 1:00 pm

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Re: Jesus H

So, no itunes makes it crippled? I would hate to run some itunes bloat on a netbook. It works well on a real computer, but (especially the windows version of itunes) on a netbook? :shudder:


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#15 2009-05-04 1:47 pm

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Linux has no a-lot-of-things. Adobe CS, for example. But it's not much more crippled than OS X is vs. Windows, at least as far as overall application support goes.

*cough*and*cough*games*cough*

Also, some of the past Linux derivatives I've seen on low-end PCs are a little more like a cell phone or a pre-multifinder Mac in their one-app-on-top-all-the-time method of presenting an application. Don't recall what distro it was, I think it was at WalMart. (I also just kind of assume it was Linux and not some other custom OS.) Like it or not, it really does simplify things. Think WebTV or those old email appliances from the late '90s.

Re: Win7 and a 3-application limit in the ultra-slim version: First off, if you're using a netbook, don't run more than 3 apps. You probably don't have the RAM anyway, and swap file use still wears out SSDs faster than a normal HD. Secondly, if the OEM Win7Lite is really cheap, and if MS has a reasonable upgrade price from that to the basic home version, it's not a big deal - MS is just offering a crippled version for less money. A proverbial "consumer tower." Third, if you can order Netbooks with the full OS preinstalled, it's a nonissue.

If the iPhone OS could also run normal OS X apps, but only 3 at a time, I bet there'd be a line around the block to get macs preloaded with it, especially if there was a cost savings.


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#16 2009-05-04 4:50 pm

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Re: Jesus H

A web browser and a chat client. What else ya gonna need running on a net book?


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#17 2009-05-04 4:55 pm

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Re: Jesus H

Pariah wrote:

A web browser and a chat client. What else ya gonna need running on a net book?

Yeah. And maybe a media player too, even if not iTunes. Burn and re-rip your iTunes store music if you must.

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#18 2009-05-04 5:12 pm

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Re: Jesus H

It's a NetBook. You're not going to be using it for every day work. Frankly I don't get the whole small tiny computer thing. My 13" MacBook is small enough for me. I wouldn't want to go much smaller. The PowerBook 12" was awesome too. But anything smaller than a 12" screen and we're in midget territory.

Seriously, what's the appeal?

What I want is a 13" MacBook with a slightly higher resolution. I'd drool over 1440x900. Slightly smaller pixels, but super awesome.

I understand the lightness factor. But really. A tiny little 10" laptop? Seriously?

Side note: If I did use a NetBook, it would still run Linux. But I don't and won't. Because I am a single computer guy. My work is done on one machine. And it's a 13" MacBook. It's the perfect size for me. I actually think the 15" is overkill. And don't even get me started on the 17".

Just wish it had a touch screen though. I hope tablets become commonplace so Apple can say how they missed the boat on this one and release a nice multi-touch MacBook with a pivoting screen like my Dad's Gateway laptop. Which he uses as his main machine and uses the tablet mode all the time. I used it the other day with Photoshop... god, I want to draw on my screen! And I don't want to buy a Wacom Cintiq. (If that's what their LCD display with the tablet built-in is called.) Only drawback to it is it didn't seem to have any pressure levels. So I couldn't draw thinner or thicker lines. I guess the Gateway didn't have that ability.

And now I'm rambling.

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#19 2009-05-04 7:19 pm

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Re: Jesus H

I have an 8.9 inch EEE 900A and it's a wonderful little netbook for what I paid: $199. I just got an image of Windows XP SP3 onto a USB thumbdrive to replace the incredibly bloated Linux distro they tosses on it.

I would be very interested to see what kind of hardware Apple would field for a line of netbooks.

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#20 2009-05-05 11:27 am

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I'd love to see an EEE with Windows XP Embedded...


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#21 2009-05-25 1:04 am

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Re: Jesus H

Dropped.

In some really encouraging news, Paul Thurrott at SuperSite for Windows is reporting that Microsoft isn't gonna put the arbitrary limit on its netbook-bound Windows 7 Starter Edition where users could only run three applications at a time. Now the only thing holding you back from simultaneous Skype, AIM, browsing, DVD playback, and Plants vs. Zombies will be the space on your screen and the specs in your portable. So how will they tempt users to upgrade to Home or Premium now? We'll just have to wait and see on that one.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/micr … windows-7/


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#22 2009-05-25 11:27 am

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Re: Jesus H

oh thank god


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#23 2009-05-25 12:09 pm

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Re: Jesus H

Moblin 2.0 is a very interesting "Netbook OS"

http://gizmodo.com/5142693/intel-shows- … d-linux-os

It's completely re-designed from the original Moblin, which was way more Linux-y. It's not just really modern and awesome looking, it seems like the first OS and UI really designed just for netbooks..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsCpIeLL … r_embedded

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#24 2009-05-25 4:38 pm

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Re: Jesus H

Pariah wrote:

A web browser and a chat client. What else ya gonna need running on a net book?

Text editor of some sort, e-mail client...
Oh, and if you had to run updates, that probably counts as one of your 3 programs.


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#25 2009-05-25 10:52 pm

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Shadowless wrote:

Pariah wrote:

A web browser and a chat client. What else ya gonna need running on a net book?

Text editor of some sort, e-mail client...
Oh, and if you had to run updates, that probably counts as one of your 3 programs.

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