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We knew this was coming. The auto industry is among the last industry that halfway tried to keep jobs in America. But with everyone taking the outsourcing route, and the priority still apparently on keeping prices (and costs) down, it was only a matter of time.

radarman wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

If they do, it will help the workers here, too.
The Chinese vehicles are better made and can overall help their image.

I'm impressed you were able to say that with a straight face. I'll bet you run the tables at poker.

How about we roll around town in these:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A

The GM cars that GM sells in China are not comparable to Chinese vehicles any more than the Ford Foci made and sold in Russia are comparable to Russian cars.

At least, it's true for Buick. While the latest reports show that Buicks are among the best-made cars sold in the US, the Chinese see Buick as the top of the line and expect them to be the best cars available, period.

Last edited by Tallgeese (2009-05-14 10:15 pm)

IIRC, Beck wasn't quite this loony when he was still on CNN. He was the token conservative. Now that he's on FauxNoise, it's like he's trying to out-crazy Hannity or something. Perhaps he wants to best Rush and take the top slot and is willing to do any gimmick (pouring gasoline on someone, having his eyes always visible the whole show) to do it. He's a nut.

That being said, jobs being exported isn't surprising. Part of the problem is wages and pensions - it's overhead that foreign automakers don't have to bear. They've passed it off to the union going forward, but they still have billions in legacy costs. Workers in Mexico cost a fraction of labor in the US. Until we get health care costs under control - or better yet off of employers' backs - and do something about retirement (gonna have to raise that SS/Medicare eligibility age) - then there really isn't a choice in the matter. People won't pay more and we won't slap tariffs on foreign goods since free trade has become the new dogma.

Perhaps CNN was reigning him in a bit, opposed to Fox - they don't exactly have high standards...

Tallgeese wrote:

Or Fox's health plan doesn't cover Haldol.

Crack works as an anti-psychotic doesn't it?

Oh, shove your 'class warfare' up your ass.

When the richest people in the world cry and moan about a few percent increase in taxes to help their fellow countrymen get rudimentary medical care AND call it "class warfare", there's just no polite response. It's smurfing inane.

ScifiterX wrote:

It's not there fault is almost as much money all but a few percent of everyone else's... oh wait...

Clearly the poor are lazy and immoral. If they weren't, they wouldn't be poor.

Yeah why don't you go and plot "laziness" against "wealth" and get back to me with R^2.

You seem to think that the relationship between laziness and poverty is significant enough to comment. I'd like you to tell me exactly how close that relationship is.

mrreet2001 wrote:

Are you saying that there are no people who are poor because they are lazy? Because thats complete BS. I personally know a handful of people that are poor simply because they are lazy.

I never said "all" or even "most" poor people are lazy. I said "many" ... as in more than a few.

You must think it's a large enough number to be worth commenting on.

mrreet2001 wrote:

Thats the fricking point of a forum.

No, the whole point of the forum is how Fox News is the Antichrist. Or a collection of dull-witted antichrists. If not a collection then a significant enough number to be worth commenting on.