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#1 2009-05-15 4:29 pm
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Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More- … -Time.aspx
Lots of interesting graphs and stats. The upshot of it all:
With the first pro-choice president in eight years already making changes to the nation's policies on funding abortion overseas, expressing his support for the Freedom of Choice Act, and moving toward rescinding federal job protections for medical workers who refuse to participate in abortion procedures, Americans -- and, in particular, Republicans -- seem to be taking a step back from the pro-choice position. However, the retreat is evident among political moderates as well as conservatives.
It is possible that, through his abortion policies, Obama has pushed the public's understanding of what it means to be "pro-choice" slightly to the left, politically. While Democrats may support that, as they generally support everything Obama is doing as president, it may be driving others in the opposite direction.
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#2 2009-05-15 4:34 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
This is the relevant graph I think:
Things are mostly unchanged.
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#3 2009-05-15 4:51 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
Probably an outlier but interesting.
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#4 2009-05-15 5:23 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
Farmerkev wrote:
Probably an outlier but interesting.
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#5 2009-05-15 6:55 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
bratboy wrote:
Farmerkev wrote:
Obviously an outlier so not particularly interesting.
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#6 2009-05-15 6:57 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
So what the graph shows is that at least 53% of people do not post on internet message boards?
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#7 2009-05-15 6:59 pm
Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
Tallgeese wrote:
So what the graph shows is that at least 53% of people do not post on internet message boards?
Or post on different boards than this one.
The is an extremely left leaning board.
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#8 2009-05-15 7:03 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
resedit wrote:
The is an extremely left leaning board.
There are several left-leaning posters here (the majority, obviously). This is not an "extremely left-leaning" board.
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#9 2009-05-15 7:05 pm
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resedit wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
So what the graph shows is that at least 53% of people do not post on internet message boards?
Or post on different boards than this one.
The is an extremely left leaning board.
Perhaps you need to re-check your sense of humor.
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#10 2009-05-15 7:32 pm
Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
Tallgeese wrote:
resedit wrote:
Tallgeese wrote:
So what the graph shows is that at least 53% of people do not post on internet message boards?
Or post on different boards than this one.
The is an extremely left leaning board.Perhaps you need to re-check your sense of humor.
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isn't used, I missed that something was a joke.
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#11 2009-05-15 9:48 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
mo' ron wrote:
This is the relevant graph I think:
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/ori … ihagma.gif
Things are mostly unchanged.
I dunno, the moderate crowd is decreasing while what was a 10 point gap between All and Nothing, now Nothing leads by 1 point. 11 point swing in a short period of time is a big deal, potentially.
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#12 2009-05-15 9:55 pm
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Supreme Court nominees only need a 40% negative to fail.
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#13 2009-05-15 10:17 pm
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Supreme Court nominees only need a 40% negative to fail.
For the record, while I believe Roe v Wade was an incorrect decision, I do not like nominated judges to be rejected from having a vote over single item issues.
A judges position on abortion should not be why the senate decides to deny a confirmation vote.
While technically it is the right of the senate to reject a nominee on that single issue, I believe it goes against the spirit of the nomination process.
Unless the nominee has a history of bad decisions and questionable moral clarity, the nominee should at least be given a confirmation vote.
If you don't like his or her position on several issues, then don't vote to confirm. But don't waste the Senate's time trying to block the vote from ever taking place via filibuster.
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#14 2009-05-16 12:44 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
Shadowless wrote:
I dunno, the moderate crowd is decreasing while what was a 10 point gap between All and Nothing, now Nothing leads by 1 point. 11 point swing in a short period of time is a big deal, potentially.
...and there's no plausible reason for it, which suggests it's an outlier.
Other recent polls.
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#15 2009-05-16 12:51 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
bratboy wrote:
Shadowless wrote:
I dunno, the moderate crowd is decreasing while what was a 10 point gap between All and Nothing, now Nothing leads by 1 point. 11 point swing in a short period of time is a big deal, potentially.
...and there's no plausible reason for it, which suggests it's an outlier.
Other recent polls.
Wow, that has remained pretty damn consistent for years. That's impressive data. I guess there's no reason to think that this will change. You're right. Looks like this year is possibly simply an outlier.
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#16 2009-05-18 9:35 am
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
you can agree with it, or disagree with it, and not have the government involved.
the republicans and democrats have yet to figure this out, yet.
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#17 2009-05-18 10:11 am
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
NokX wrote:
you can agree with it, or disagree with it, and not have the government involved.
the republicans and democrats have yet to figure this out, yet.
I don't think you understand "Pro Choice."
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#18 2009-05-18 12:02 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
jerwin wrote:
NokX wrote:
you can agree with it, or disagree with it, and not have the government involved.
the republicans and democrats have yet to figure this out, yet.I don't think you understand "Pro Choice."
It means that if your woman gets pregnant she's required to have an abortion. What's to be confused about? 
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#20 2009-05-18 12:20 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
zeitgeist wrote:
jerwin wrote:
NokX wrote:
you can agree with it, or disagree with it, and not have the government involved.
the republicans and democrats have yet to figure this out, yet.I don't think you understand "Pro Choice."
It means that if your woman gets pregnant she's required to have an abortion. What's to be confused about?
Damn straight. I don't like condoms, but I ain't raising no damn kid.
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#21 2009-05-18 5:00 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
NokX wrote:
you can agree with it, or disagree with it, and not have the government involved.
the republicans and democrats have yet to figure this out, yet.
The pro-choice position would be the one that has government out of the issue.
Seems to me a libertarian ought to be able to puzzle that one out all by his lonesome.
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#22 2009-05-18 5:54 pm
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I think NokX is really an anarchist.
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#23 2009-05-18 5:58 pm
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It bears repeating...
Pro Choice ≠ Pro Abortion
Pro Choice = For the right to choose for one's self
Pro Choice = For the right to cause an innocent life to cease.
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#24 2009-05-18 6:00 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
resedit wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
It bears repeating...
Pro Choice ≠ Pro Abortion
Pro Choice = For the right to choose for one's selfPro Choice = For the right to cause an innocent life to cease.
Pro Choice is for the elimination of Abortions, but by use of proper birth control, not government sanction.
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#25 2009-05-18 6:02 pm
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Re: Abortion attitude shift - Gallup
Chickenhawk wrote:
resedit wrote:
ScifiterX wrote:
It bears repeating...
Pro Choice ≠ Pro Abortion
Pro Choice = For the right to choose for one's selfPro Choice = For the right to cause an innocent life to cease.
Pro Choice is for the elimination of Abortions, but by use of proper birth control, not government sanction.
That really depends on who you talk to.
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