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Lets just stipulate that former presidents should keep quiet for awhile and move on.

Me:

bratboy wrote:

I don't remember how long Al Gore stayed away--but isn't it, I dunno, customary for the former administration to shut the smurf up for a moment after leaving office?

You:

....but but but Clinton did it in 2005!

Pretty mild criticism too. Even Repubbies admit that "errors" were made.

Tallgeese wrote:

Except Cheney hasn't dropped out of sight. He's been on the Sunday talk shows regularly talking about how Obama will kill us all.

Yeah, because he's the type of guy who apparently likes bi-partisanship.

He should die soon enough, hopefully. That smurfer has been here too long. He oooses evil imo.

resedit wrote:

However, this isn't about breaking custom. Cheney was directly attacked by the Obama administration with the accusations of torture. You can't expect him to just bend over and take it, he's going to stand up for himself, and he did.

I don't believe that Obama has directly accused Cheney BY NAME for anything. OTOH, Cheney has been hitting the tv shows since about January 21st doing just that.

The torture allegations were well in place before the changeover. Obama is simply dealing with it as he must.

I love how the LIBERAL MEDIA is giving equal weight to the President's and Cheney's speeches.

...and talk about distortions in Cheney's speech.  Just a few:

He quoted the Director of National Intelligence, Adm. Dennis Blair , as saying that the information gave U.S. officials a "deeper understanding of the al Qaida organization that was attacking this country."

In a statement April 21 , however, Blair said the information "was valuable in some instances" but that "there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means. The bottom line is that these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."

— Cheney said that "the key to any strategy is accurate intelligence," but the Bush administration ignored warnings from experts in the CIA , the Defense Intelligence Agency , the State Department , the Department of Energy and other agencies, and used false or exaggerated intelligence supplied by Iraqi exile groups and others to help make its case for the 2003 invasion.

Cheney made no mention of al Qaida operative Ali Mohamed al Fakheri , who's known as Ibn Sheikh al Libi , whom the Bush administration secretly turned over to Egypt for interrogation in January 2002 . While allegedly being tortured by Egyptian authorities, Libi provided false information about Iraq's links with al Qaida , which the Bush administration used despite doubts expressed by the DIA.

A state-run Libyan newspaper said Libi committed suicide recently in a Libyan jail.

— Cheney accused Obama of "the selective release" of documents on Bush administration detainee policies, charging that Obama withheld records that Cheney claimed prove that information gained from the harsh interrogation methods prevented terrorist attacks.

"I've formally asked that (the information) be declassified so the American people can see the intelligence we obtained," Cheney said. "Last week, that request was formally rejected."

However, the decision to withhold the documents was announced by the CIA , which said that it was obliged to do so by a 2003 executive order issued by former President George W. Bush prohibiting the release of materials that are the subject of lawsuits.

Link.

If Cheney showed up at my door asking if he could stay for dinner, I'd smurfing call the cops. If he tried to force his way in, the cops would find I defended myself from a terrorist/home invader. I might well be dead but I will have protected my family and improved my country & the world in the process.

Last edited by ScifiterX (2009-05-22 11:04 am)

GWB himself would be simply told to leave unless he tried to force his way in in which case you'd see the headline, "Bush arrested in home invasion". Bush Sr and/or Clinton would be welcomed and if Sr brought GWB with him, I'd relent a little out of respect.

Ok but the point still is Cheney gets in my house over my dead body.

Man, look at how paranoid we are nowadays, eh? Afraid to speak our minds. smurf.

Cheney is attributing to Pres. Obama what the CIA Directors have instituted since 2003. Evidently irritating Cheney. So he is actually critizing the Bush admin.

As for the extended detention that Pres. Obama is touting for some detainees, the simple solution is one that was raised a couple of nights ago. Simply declare them POWs. POWs may be detained indefinately, during the duration of the war. And since this "War on Terror" seems to be long-term, that would solve the problems, give them legal protection under law, and enable the government to hold them until they die of old age.

Problem is solved all the way around.

Take no prisoners.  Problem solved. 


j/k.

-mark