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iSeamas wrote:

Is Hannity still offering to do this?

Nah, he's still pretending he never said it.

Just saw a website where they show Mancow, Mike Guy (a reporter from Playboy) and Christopher Hitchens get waterboarded.

Each went in thinking it wasn't torture.
Each got waterboarded in very controlled "safe" environments. each got a way to "tap out", hell I think mancow even got a count in-so he'd know when the water was coming.
Each tapped out within a few seconds, and each say it is without a doubt, torture.


Who's next?

iSeamas wrote:

Just saw a website where they show Mancow, Mike Guy (a reporter from Playboy) and Christopher Hitchens get waterboarded.

Each went in thinking it wasn't torture.
Each got waterboarded in very controlled "safe" environments. each got a way to "tap out", hell I think mancow even got a count in-so he'd know when the water was coming.
Each tapped out within a few seconds, and each say it is without a doubt, torture.


Who's next?

I'm pretty sure it's NOT torture, because ResEdit said so.

mo' ron wrote:

iSeamas wrote:

Just saw a website where they show Mancow, Mike Guy (a reporter from Playboy) and Christopher Hitchens get waterboarded.

Each went in thinking it wasn't torture.
Each got waterboarded in very controlled "safe" environments. each got a way to "tap out", hell I think mancow even got a count in-so he'd know when the water was coming.
Each tapped out within a few seconds, and each say it is without a doubt, torture.


Who's next?

I'm pretty sure it's NOT torture, because ResEdit said so.

I was wondering if he was going to step up.

It's an extremely unpleasant experience.
One I would not want to be subjected to.

It may have been the worst experience mancow has ever been subject to.

However, real torture is far, far worse.
And real torture would not be legal to subject a radio host to, even if they volunteered.

The fact that they were allowed to even do it to him is evidence against your torture claim.

resedit wrote:

It's an extremely unpleasant experience.
One I would not want to be subjected to.

It may have been the worst experience mancow has ever been subject to.

However, real torture is far, far worse.

It's controlled drowning which required a medical staff nearby in case the subject being tortured needed immediate treatment, including a possible tracheotomy, to prevent death.

I'm curious--who's word do you take this on?  I've presented mountains of evidence regarding those with specific knowledge of the procedure who identify it as torture.  The military.  The FBI.  Those who have undergone the procedure themselves as part of training.  I've detailed the numerous past regimes that have practiced it.  I've pointed out that this country has tried and punished others before for engaging in the practice. You reject my evidence and conclusions, but offer none of your own.

Who's lead are you following?  Bush's sleazy lawyers?  Sleazy politicians in Washington?  The prince of darkness himself?

And real torture would not be legal to subject a radio host to, even if they volunteered.

The fact that they were allowed to even do it to him is evidence against your torture claim.

What a wholly bizarre argument.  Let's think about this for just a few seconds.

First of all, a man could go to prison for decades for committing an act that is most certainly not prohibited otherwise when consensual.  Secondly--there are most certainly people who engage in activities that would plainly be considered "torture" if they weren't otherwise consented to.  Really painful stuff.

Hell, you love to cite SERE training--yet waterboarding is considered a form of "torture" by those who conduct such training!

Last edited by bratboy (2009-05-22 6:15 pm)

Tallgeese wrote:

So if rape doesn't cause permanent physical harm, is it torture?

Hey now, rape is an extremely unpleasant experience.

Tallgeese wrote:

So if rape doesn't cause permanent physical harm, is it torture?

Rape usually does cause physical harm.
However those convicted of rape are not convicted of torture, and rape is covered under other laws with respect to interrogation methods.

And you would be convicted of rape, not torture.

resedit wrote:

And you would be convicted of rape, not torture.

Does your state have a "torture" statute?

My prediction is that within a week, maybe a month, the radio host will be back to saying that waterboarding isn't torture, claiming that anything he said immediately after his own case has to be discounted because he was "completely stressed out" or some such excuse.

Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

Prisoners of War are specifically protected by geneva convention.
They are only required to give their serial number, if I recall.

However, when you engage in combat outside of your uniform, you are no longer privileged to that protection.
That's the way it has been for a very long time.

I believe having committed acts of atrocity also nullify you of the Geneva POW protection.

Uniformed Iraqi Soldiers were kept in accordance with the Geneva convention, and were also released once Saddam's regime was toppled, in accordance with the Geneva convention.