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#26 2009-05-25 9:05 pm

jerwin
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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

ShnickyShnack wrote:

There's a word for people who lack empathy. They call them sociopaths.

Good Point. Should sociopaths be judges?


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#27 2009-05-25 9:22 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

jerwin wrote:

Empathy should influence a judge's decision. Therefore, there is a point to using it as a criterion for selecting a judge.

Your move, farmerkev.

Empathy has a role in sentencing, not in judging Constitutionality.
The SC's role is the latter.


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#28 2009-05-25 9:39 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Do you need empathy to read the Sentencing guidelines? I think not.

Constitutionality claims seem to be rather rare at the moment.

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#29 2009-05-25 9:52 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Farmerkev wrote:

jerwin wrote:

Empathy should influence a judge's decision. Therefore, there is a point to using it as a criterion for selecting a judge.

Your move, farmerkev.

Empathy has a role in sentencing, not in judging Constitutionality.
The SC's role is the latter.

Sounds like a moderately advanced software application could be a Supreme Court Justice. No humanity required!


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#30 2009-05-25 10:28 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

To a great degree, I think the Constitution was founded on the idea of empathy--that is considering how laws might actually effect people.


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#31 2009-05-25 10:30 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

I like to think that the Constitution was founded on the idea of mutual distrust.


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#32 2009-05-26 7:40 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Sotomayor?

announcement 10:15am eastern


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#33 2009-05-26 7:43 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

I like to think it was founded on compromising for the purposes accomplishing what needs to get done despite mutual distrust.

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#34 2009-05-26 8:19 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

I've just emailed Bill Nelson and expressed my concerns over the rumors of party based filibustering. I told him of my personal belief of judging a candidate on their own merits and pointed out it was a driving force in what lead me to vote for him. I then asked that he apply the same level of descretion and leave the pressuring of all his peers out of it.

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#35 2009-05-26 8:53 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

daemon wrote:

Sotomayor?

announcement 10:15am eastern

At 10:16am, the Party of No, formally known as the Republicans, will announce why the President’s choice is the Personification of All Evil.

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#36 2009-05-26 9:17 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

She was put on the bench by George HW Bush. Let them bitch.


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#37 2009-05-26 11:20 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

They can't bitch. They want the Hispanic vote too bad and she's replacing Souter and not affecting the balance anyway.

However, at least on the question of choice, she has the requisite organs. Is she Catholic?


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

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#38 2009-05-26 11:24 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

user wrote:

They can't bitch. They want the Hispanic vote too bad and she's replacing Souter and not affecting the balance anyway.

However, at least on the question of choice, she has the requisite organs. Is she Catholic?

She is.


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#39 2009-05-26 11:37 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

zeitgeist wrote:

user wrote:

They can't bitch. They want the Hispanic vote too bad and she's replacing Souter and not affecting the balance anyway.

However, at least on the question of choice, she has the requisite organs. Is she Catholic?

She is.

So much for diversity on the court.


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#40 2009-05-26 11:52 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Obama is losing more and more support from me. I am almost apathetic towards him now. As he keeps giving the LGBT community lip service. And this furthers it with the nomination of Sotomayor who is the least liberal on his short list, and she is going to replace the most gay friendly judge on the Supreme Court Bench! As much as I hope she gets vetted to death and passed over with a filibuster I don't think it's likely to happen. Some Republicans will contest her nomination on the grounds of some of her decisions. But ultimately they will be committing political suicide to overly oppose a woman who is the first Hispanic appointment to the Supreme Court with her so sad life story, blah blah blah die with a filibuster so Kathleen Sullivan can be nominated.

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#41 2009-05-26 11:58 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

The other great thing about this nomination is that many of the right wing attacks that will inevitably be made will have a subtle, or probably not subtle at all, race element to them (we're already hearing of the Rosen anonymous sourced one about Sotomayer being a moron on the bench) -- the end result will be further alienation of the Hispanic vote from Republicans.  You know, they just can't help themselves.

Advantage:  Obama

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#42 2009-05-26 11:58 am

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Obama is loosing more and more support from me.

Your support is too tightly wound up. Let if flow freely towards Obama


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#43 2009-05-26 1:04 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Noted at TPM:

If Sotomayor is confirmed, the Court would have six Roman Catholics, two Jews and one Protestant -- and that, the oldest, John Paul Stevens.


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#44 2009-05-26 1:14 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Is there evidence that religious affiliation makes a difference for the justices' decisions?

That is to say, do the Catholics vote in a block and write similar decisions, the Jews vote together and write similar decisions, and when reading Stevens's decisions do you say "well, that was certainly written by a Protestant!"
?

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#45 2009-05-26 1:18 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Scalia has denied that it has. I suppose that it comes up in Abortion cases. On a more abstract level, one could say that certain ethical systems are distinctly Catholic or distinctly Jewish in style.

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#46 2009-05-26 1:23 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

bratboy wrote:

Noted at TPM:

If Sotomayor is confirmed, the Court would have six Roman Catholics, two Jews and one Protestant -- and that, the oldest, John Paul Stevens.

Sounds like the opening to a joke.


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#47 2009-05-26 1:33 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

Tallgeese wrote:

Is there evidence that religious affiliation makes a difference for the justices' decisions?

That is to say, do the Catholics vote in a block and write similar decisions, the Jews vote together and write similar decisions, and when reading Stevens's decisions do you say "well, that was certainly written by a Protestant!"
?

Of course not.  I just found it interesting.


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#48 2009-05-26 1:41 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

she's latino and a woman. it's historic and that's all i care about. everything else comes last.


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#49 2009-05-26 1:49 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

NokX wrote:

she's latino and a woman. it's historic and that's all i care about. everything else comes last.

You know, she's also an appeals court judge who was first nominated to be a U.S. district court judge by the first president Bush.

Says the ABA:

A political centrist, the Bronx-born Sotomayor has been re­garded as a potential high court nominee by several presidents, both Republican and Democrat. Reared by her widowed mother after the death of her father, a tool-and-die worker, she has an attractive life narrative and an even more attractive resumé.

She was an editor of the Yale Law Review, did heavy lifting as a prosecutor under legendary New York County District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, and worked in private practice as an intellectual property litigator.

She was first appointed to the federal bench by President George H.W. Bush, then to the appeals court by President Clinton. In 1995, she won the gratitude of baseball fans by issuing an injunction against team owners, setting the stage for the end of the eight-month strike that led to the cancellation of the 1994 World Series.


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#50 2009-05-26 1:55 pm

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Re: Republicans warn of Supreme Court nominee filibuster

NokX wrote:

she's latino and a woman. it's historic and that's all i care about. everything else comes last.

Given your posting record I have to ask, are you for her or against her?


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