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#1 2009-05-28 5:02 am

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I hate ticks

Past few days I've been doing a lot of hiking through cat grass - and I've been picking up a lot of ticks.
About every 15 minutes or so I check my socks and legs and remove any, about every half hour or so I remove my shirt and remove any, and I'm constantly checking my neck for them.

I get home, get butt naked, put my clothes in the wash and take a shower.

Yet some still manage to find their way into the house. I'm guessing they hide in my hair and don't get removed with the shower.

There's something psychological about it - because after I find one (either on me or my cats) I suddenly feel them crawling on me where there aren't any.

I just treated my cats with that stuff from the vets, but I can't use insect repellent - the deet based repellents are known to trigger my seizures, most of the non deet based repellents (and the deet based ones too) are known to harm amphibians - since I'm out looking for amphibians and may handle them, it isn't fair for me to have that stuff on me. The organic insect repellents that are allegedly amphibian safe just plain don't work. Maybe they will keep bugs off if the bugs have another food supply, but when the bugs are hungry, they just don't work.

I'm also being eaten alive by mosquitoes. I don't care about that so much. Maybe if I lived in the south or Minnesota I would, but our bad mosquito days are mild compared to some places. Do have to worry about west nile virus but I don't think I'm in the high risk demographic.

The ticks though, something about them just really freaks me out.

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#2 2009-05-28 5:44 am

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Re: I hate ticks

Dude, one word:

Morgellon's disease.

I guess that's two words. Here's two more:

Lyme disease.

And you already mentioned West Nile.

For your sake, and for the sake of your animals, you might want to consider not going out there into the wild unless you're wearing a haz-mat suit.


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#3 2009-05-28 8:29 am

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Re: I hate ticks

Knee high (with pants) nylon stockings. You will look stupid as hell, but anybody who know the reason why won't laugh at you. I figure most of our resident soldiers here will understand.

With a proper sock combination, it helps prevent blisters and the little bug smurf can't get you through them.


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#4 2009-05-28 8:36 am

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Re: I hate ticks

Seriously, them tick-borne illnesses don't play around. They can ruin your life.


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#5 2009-05-28 9:09 am

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Re: I hate ticks

well, I've never heard of Morgellon's disease before now, but Lyme disease is easily treated if caught early, and its easy to catch early, because it leaves a gigantic bullseye on the site of the bite.


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#6 2009-05-28 9:36 am

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Re: I hate ticks

I've heard that putting a dryer sheet in your pocket will repel mosquitos. It's worth a try.


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#7 2009-05-28 9:43 am

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Re: I hate ticks

You've never heard of Morgellon's disease!?

Where've you been?

Next you'll tell me you haven't heard anything about the shape-shifting, reptilian aliens who run the Trilateral Commision!


All kidding aside, Morgellon's is bad news, and is similar enough to Lyme that some people have suggested they may be related, if not one-and-the-same.

Regarding Lyme, I've read some very heartbreaking stories about what happens when it's not caught and treated promptly. Personally, I've suffered spider bites, one of which became infected. Went to the doctor and everything. They just assumed it was a spider bite, and didn't test me for Lyme or any other disease. Under the right circumstances, I could imagine somebody with one of those "bullseyes" going similarly untested and hence untreated, either 'cause the doctor doesn't recognize it for what it is, or cause the person doesn't think enough of it to go see a doctor in the first place.

Regarding Morgellon's:

The more research you do on the subject, the more you'll notice every little itchy, crawly sensation anywhere on your body. Creepy, creepy stuff!


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#8 2009-05-28 10:01 am

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Re: I hate ticks

I thought West Nile was a mosquito thing, not a tick thing?

http://xrayvision.today.com/files/2009/04/patrick-warburton-the-tick.jpg


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#9 2009-05-28 1:41 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

dv wrote:

I thought West Nile was a mosquito thing, not a tick thing?

http://xrayvision.today.com/files/2009/ … e-tick.jpg

It is, but he is also getting sucked on by mosquitoes out there as well.


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#10 2009-05-28 2:35 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Hey resedit how'd you like it if I started to call all amphibians newts. No matter what kind of amphibian it actually is I'll just call it a newt. Remember all bugs are insects but all insects aren't bugs! For that matter ticks aren't even in the Insecta class they belong to the Arachnida class of spiders and the such.


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#11 2009-05-28 2:57 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Aaron_R wrote:

Hey resedit how'd you like it if I started to call all amphibians newts. No matter what kind of amphibian it actually is I'll just call it a newt. Remember all bugs are insects but all insects aren't bugs! For that matter ticks aren't even in the Insecta class they belong to the Arachnida class of spiders and the such.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug


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#12 2009-05-28 3:08 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Aaron_R wrote:

Hey resedit how'd you like it if I started to call all amphibians newts. No matter what kind of amphibian it actually is I'll just call it a newt. Remember all bugs are insects but all insects aren't bugs! For that matter ticks aren't even in the Insecta class they belong to the Arachnida class of spiders and the such.

I didn't call a tick an insect.

I did refer to insect repellent, but insect repellent is what they call the stuff that people use to avoid insects AND ticks.

If you want to get super technical, though, the ticks aren't only coming from the cat grass - they are coming from all kinds of vegetation out there.

-=-=-

Thinking about it - one possibility of where they might be hiding is in my shoes, which are not put through the wash. Maybe I should spray my shoes before I go out.


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#13 2009-05-28 3:11 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

He's taking exception to your calling ticks and mosquitoes 'bugs'. There's a order of insects, Hemiptera, which are known as 'true bugs'. However, the common vernacular of 'bug' means any terrestrial arthropod.


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#14 2009-05-28 3:13 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Aaron_R wrote:

Hey resedit how'd you like it if I started to call all amphibians newts. No matter what kind of amphibian it actually is I'll just call it a newt. Remember all bugs are insects but all insects aren't bugs! For that matter ticks aren't even in the Insecta class they belong to the Arachnida class of spiders and the such.

Is this what you were referring to?

Maybe they will keep bugs off if the bugs have another food supply, but when the bugs are hungry, they just don't work.

I was referring to bugs in general.
The organic repellents just don't work, for ticks, mosquitoes, or anything out there I've encountered.
They probably make someone a tidy profit though.


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#15 2009-05-28 3:43 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

resedit wrote:

Aaron_R wrote:

Hey resedit how'd you like it if I started to call all amphibians newts. No matter what kind of amphibian it actually is I'll just call it a newt. Remember all bugs are insects but all insects aren't bugs! For that matter ticks aren't even in the Insecta class they belong to the Arachnida class of spiders and the such.

Is this what you were referring to?

Maybe they will keep bugs off if the bugs have another food supply, but when the bugs are hungry, they just don't work.

I was referring to bugs in general.
The organic repellents just don't work, for ticks, mosquitoes, or anything out there I've encountered.
They probably make someone a tidy profit though.

Yes, as you were talking about ticks and mosquitoes getting on you  and than referred to the both of them as bugs. You hit a pet-peeve of mine is all. Having went to school to study entomology and enjoy collecting and studying insects it's just one of the small things that 'ticks' me off ^_^ A good pesticide free way to help keep those pesky mosquitoes at bay is a sonic sound device which puts out sonic sound waves to emulate that of a bat. I'm not sure of the brand the one I've got but it's sized about that of the 1st gen ipod just fatter (works wonders in the wisconsin woods) As for tick repellents I haven't a clue. I do the same exact thing you do, get naked.

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#16 2009-05-28 3:48 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Chickenhawk wrote:

He's taking exception to your calling ticks and mosquitoes 'bugs'. There's a order of insects, Hemiptera, which are known as 'true bugs'. However, the common vernacular of 'bug' means any terrestrial arthropod.

Not in my vocabulary or anyone I hear use it in such a way as I will correct them.


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#17 2009-05-28 3:58 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

"Bugs, Mr. Rico. There's millions of bugs..."

Not everyone uses correct terminology, wants to, or needs to.


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#18 2009-05-28 4:06 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

sturner wrote:

"Bugs, Mr. Rico. There's millions of bugs..."

Not everyone uses correct terminology, wants to, or needs to.

Well now Mr. Rico can be standing in any number of places for his statement to hold true, like a bean field nod (which could host millions of aphids)

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#19 2009-05-28 4:11 pm

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Hee, hee, in Mr. Rico's case, twas an alien race with more of a relationship to a spider than bugs. The uninitiated (non-scientist) needed only a familiar term for them. But in the context the name conveyed enough meaning.

So is it true for most of us.


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#20 2009-05-28 4:38 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

sturner wrote:

"Bugs, Mr. Rico. There's millions of bugs..."

Not everyone uses correct terminology, wants to, or needs to.

Indeed. I often don't use correct terminology when speaking outside a scientific capacity in subjects I'm an expert in (e.g. calling any mass wasting event a 'landslide' while a 'landslide' is a very specific type of mass wasting event).


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#21 2009-05-28 4:56 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Bren wrote:

Regarding Morgellon's:

The more research you do on the subject, the more you'll notice every little itchy, crawly sensation anywhere on your body. Creepy, creepy stuff!

That's odd, the more research I've done has lead me to believe that it's a poorly defined "syndrome" with no set definition of symptoms and is more likely to be a delusion.  In fact, your mention of an "itchy, crawly sensation" is one of the "symptoms" that dermatologists refer to as delusional parasitosis.  In other words, it's not real.  The more you think about it, the more you'll think you have it.  That isn't a real disease, unless it overtakes your life, in which case it's a psychological problem.

P.S.  I hate ticks too.

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#22 2009-05-28 5:41 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Aaron_R wrote:

resedit wrote:

Aaron_R wrote:

Hey resedit how'd you like it if I started to call all amphibians newts. No matter what kind of amphibian it actually is I'll just call it a newt. Remember all bugs are insects but all insects aren't bugs! For that matter ticks aren't even in the Insecta class they belong to the Arachnida class of spiders and the such.

Is this what you were referring to?

Maybe they will keep bugs off if the bugs have another food supply, but when the bugs are hungry, they just don't work.

I was referring to bugs in general.
The organic repellents just don't work, for ticks, mosquitoes, or anything out there I've encountered.
They probably make someone a tidy profit though.

Yes, as you were talking about ticks and mosquitoes getting on you  and than referred to the both of them as bugs. You hit a pet-peeve of mine is all. Having went to school to study entomology and enjoy collecting and studying insects it's just one of the small things that 'ticks' me off ^_^ A good pesticide free way to help keep those pesky mosquitoes at bay is a sonic sound device which puts out sonic sound waves to emulate that of a bat. I'm not sure of the brand the one I've got but it's sized about that of the 1st gen ipod just fatter (works wonders in the wisconsin woods) As for tick repellents I haven't a clue. I do the same exact thing you do, get naked.

Those expensive sonic solutions never worked to keep fleas and ticks off our dog growing up, and I suspect they may be audible to many of the reptiles and amphibians I am looking for, alerting them to my presense.


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#23 2009-05-28 5:44 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Chickenhawk wrote:

sturner wrote:

"Bugs, Mr. Rico. There's millions of bugs..."

Not everyone uses correct terminology, wants to, or needs to.

Indeed. I often don't use correct terminology when speaking outside a scientific capacity in subjects I'm an expert in (e.g. calling any mass wasting event a 'landslide' while a 'landslide' is a very specific type of mass wasting event).

I'm fine if someone calls an insect by a common name like 'Oh look a firefly' Thats doesn't bother me in the least, but as I said it is my pet peeve for when people call insect bugs if that particular insect isn't a bug.


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#24 2009-05-28 6:04 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

Usage The word bug is often used to refer to tiny creatures that crawl along, such as insects and even small animals that are not insects, such as spiders and millipedes. But for scientists the word has a much narrower meaning. In the strictest terms bugs are those insects that have mouthparts adapted for piercing and sucking. The mouthparts of these bugs are contained in a beak-shaped structure. Thus scientists would classify a louse but not a beetle or a cockroach as a bug. In fact, scientists often call lice and their relatives true bugs to distinguish them better from what everyone else calls "bugs."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bug

Common vernacular includes spiders etc. as bugs.

Kind of like Western fence lizards in common vernacular are called "Blue Bellies" even though there is a different Mexican species (same genus) that officially has the common name "Blue Belly".

If you are speaking scientifically, you generally refer to the taxonomy to avoid any confusion.
You won't get none scientists who could care less to stop calling spiders and ticks "bugs".

I suspect the word "bug" may actually predate the scientific classification system that has narrowed the definition in a scientific sense.


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#25 2009-05-28 6:39 pm

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Re: I hate ticks

When people refer to music from the Rococo period as "Classical" I make sure I correct them.

Wait, no I don't, because that would make me a douchebag.

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