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#51 2009-05-29 10:47 am

jerwin
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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Farmerkev wrote:

Tallgeese wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

No, I'm done with trying to explain how to make money in business.
Continue on with your lives.

Maybe you should start teaching business school. You clearly know something that all of them don't.

Yes, all those Harvard business grads have really done well.
Excellent point.

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#52 2009-05-29 11:02 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

bratboy wrote:

Farmerkev wrote:

Closing dealerships is getting rid of people paying you to work for you and move your product.
Unless they were doing something to drive customers away it doesn't make business sense.

So the corporation has no reason to want their dealerships bringing in enough cash to pay for upkeep, improvements, advertising, and amenities?

Because I can guarantee you that the place selling 1,500 cars a year is going to be better kept, have more advertising, and have more talented salespeople than the dealership down the street scraping by on 200 vehicles a year.

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#53 2009-05-29 5:30 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?


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#54 2009-05-29 6:26 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

There's never a car dealership around when you need one.


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#55 2009-05-29 7:52 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Pariah wrote:

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.


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#56 2009-05-29 7:58 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

resedit wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Apple wiped outs it's independent dealer and service network to follow a different business plan.
One that worked.
How is this any different?


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#57 2009-05-29 8:13 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Pariah wrote:

resedit wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Apple wiped outs it's independent dealer and service network to follow a different business plan.
One that worked.
How is this any different?

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I never test drive Apple smurf.
I know how to fix my own Apple smurf.


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#58 2009-05-29 8:19 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Pariah wrote:

resedit wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Apple wiped outs it's independent dealer and service network to follow a different business plan.
One that worked.
How is this any different?

They didn't completely wipe it out.  I have no nearby Apple Retail Stores, but two nearby Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Authorized Service Centers.


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#59 2009-05-29 8:48 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

resedit wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Is it possible they were not profitable for Chrysler?

And I don't see why they couldn't move to sell other brands or something along those lines.

It sucks though that they have to close, but with the economy not doing well, there's no way to have people not get smurf on.


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#60 2009-05-30 2:09 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

resedit wrote:

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Do you buy this conspiracy theory?

I note that FOX news has run with it...


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#61 2009-05-30 3:31 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Do you buy this conspiracy theory?

I note that FOX news has run with it...

The guy who lost his dealership wasn't some actor.
And neither are his now unemployed employees.


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#62 2009-05-30 3:33 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Pariah wrote:

resedit wrote:

Pariah wrote:

Perhaps Chrysler thinks having a smaller well controlled, high quality network of stores that offer both a great buying experience and excellent service would be better than a large number of outlets that are barely making rent and can't offer great anything.

Sound familiar?

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Apple wiped outs it's independent dealer and service network to follow a different business plan.
One that worked.
How is this any different?

You mean the one that resulted in the nearest Apple repair facility to my parents being over an hour away, the very reason Dad went Dell when it was time to replace the Ruby iMac?

What worked for Apple was the iMac and the iPod and dumping Motorola/IBM.

They would be just as successful now if they hadn't cut off the indies.
Maybe even moreso.


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#63 2009-05-30 10:36 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Tell that to the Dealer Fox interviewed - second generation family business, very well kept, excellent reputation, profitable, now closed.

Do you buy this conspiracy theory?

I note that FOX news has run with it...

The guy who lost his dealership wasn't some actor.
And neither are his now unemployed employees.

That didn't really answer the question.


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#64 2009-05-30 10:43 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Didn't answer it at all.  I'm shocked.


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#65 2009-05-30 11:50 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

I didn't answer it because I don't know what conspiracy theory fox is allegedly trying to push.
I haven't seen one. I did catch the interview with the Dealer, it was on Huckabee either last week or the week before, and I haven't caught anything about a Chrystler conspiracy during other shows.

Glenn and O'Reilly have been talking about ACORN. Glenn had a good interview with a former member of the board, who likes the concept of ACORN but believes the whole organization is corrupt - evidenced by the fact that many people who knew about the million dollar embezzlement while it was happening yet didn't speak up, including the current President, are still working there.

I've not seen anything about a Chrysler conspiracy theory, so I can't answer what I don't know anything about.

Are you sure Fox really is pushing some conspiracy theory?
Maybe your sources are on a smear campaign.


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#66 2009-05-30 11:55 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

I'm rather baffled by this. Chrysler and GM have been wanting to shut down a buttload of their dealers for years now. Industry observers have been urging it for years. It's part of the package of the reforms the company has come up with to become viable so it can stop being dependent on the taxpayer. And yet the Limbaughicans are complaining.

What's the alternative? Keep the company dependent on Uncle Sucker? Let it go under completely? Say, I don't suppose any of these conscientious folk are upset about the huge concessions the workers have made? Loyal Democrats too, aren't they?


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#67 2009-05-30 11:59 am

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

ScifiterX wrote:

Starbucks is closing up shops left and right around here. Why? There too many and none can make enough to cover operating costs.

That's part of Starbucks strategy.
They saturate an area so that the better smaller independents can no longer make it, and once they are gone, they pull out the excess.

It's really dirty and one of the reasons I hate them.


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#68 2009-05-30 12:02 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I'm rather baffled by this. Chrysler and GM have been wanting to shut down a buttload of their dealers for years now. Industry observers have been urging it for years. It's part of the package of the reforms the company has come up with to become viable so it can stop being dependent on the taxpayer. And yet the Limbaughicans are complaining.

What's the alternative? Keep the company dependent on Uncle Sucker? Let it go under completely? Say, I don't suppose any of these conscientious folk are upset about the huge concessions the workers have made? Loyal Democrats too, aren't they?

It won't make the company viable any more than the bailouts would.
If Chrysler owned the dealers it might, but they don't. All Chrysler does is put cars on a car transporter and send them to a privately owned dealer. Only now with less dealers, they'll move less cars. It's also bad for consumers, consumers get better deals when they can threaten to go to the other dealership.


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#69 2009-05-30 12:22 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

I'm rather baffled by this. Chrysler and GM have been wanting to shut down a buttload of their dealers for years now. Industry observers have been urging it for years. It's part of the package of the reforms the company has come up with to become viable so it can stop being dependent on the taxpayer. And yet the Limbaughicans are complaining.

What's the alternative? Keep the company dependent on Uncle Sucker? Let it go under completely? Say, I don't suppose any of these conscientious folk are upset about the huge concessions the workers have made? Loyal Democrats too, aren't they?

It won't make the company viable any more than the bailouts would.
If Chrysler owned the dealers it might, but they don't. All Chrysler does is put cars on a car transporter and send them to a privately owned dealer. Only now with less dealers, they'll move less cars. It's also bad for consumers, consumers get better deals when they can threaten to go to the other dealership.

A network has to be maintained, branded, supported, monitored. Bigger networks also dilute the brand. If you're selling x number of cars, it's better to spread that number over a smaller number of dealers , which is what the competition does, than a larger one.

To pretend it makes no difference to the manufacturer how many dealers there are betrays a serious ignorance. Why has Chrysler been wanting to shut these guys down -- since long before Obama was elected?


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#70 2009-05-30 12:57 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

resedit wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

Starbucks is closing up shops left and right around here. Why? There too many and none can make enough to cover operating costs.

That's part of Starbucks strategy.
They saturate an area so that the better smaller independents can no longer make it, and once they are gone, they pull out the excess.

It's really dirty and one of the reasons I hate them.

I don't think their strategy was too successful here.

Before Starbuck's you could get coffee at any restaurant, all the 7-11s, the couple of Dunkin Donuts, Indian River Coffee Co and the local Barney's.
After Starbuck's many of those places have added expresso & cappuccino, there are more DDs open, they added coffee, expresso, & cappuccino to the Publixes and only Barney's has been replaced by a Starbucks.

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#71 2009-05-30 4:17 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

ScifiterX wrote:

resedit wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

Starbucks is closing up shops left and right around here. Why? There too many and none can make enough to cover operating costs.

That's part of Starbucks strategy.
They saturate an area so that the better smaller independents can no longer make it, and once they are gone, they pull out the excess.

It's really dirty and one of the reasons I hate them.

I don't think their strategy was too successful here.

Before Starbuck's you could get coffee at any restaurant, all the 7-11s, the couple of Dunkin Donuts, Indian River Coffee Co and the local Barney's.
After Starbuck's many of those places have added expresso & cappuccino, there are more DDs open, they added coffee, expresso, & cappuccino to the Publixes and only Barney's has been replaced by a Starbucks.

It's hard to say if Starbucks' strategy is a net gain. Sure, they have spurred other coffee establishments to think about décor, atmosphere and offer other products. However, where I am -- Financial District, Downtown Toronto -- Starbucks' presence has resulted in less business for the independents. Usually the result is the drop in business means the independent has a hard time with the expensive lease and then Starbucks buys it out. A perfect example of this absurdity is in Downtown Vancouver where there are three Starbucks on opposing street corners of one intersection.

Then again, I am biased because Starbucks coffee tastes like ash to me.

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#72 2009-05-30 6:03 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

All coffee taste like swill to me.

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#73 2009-05-30 6:47 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

ScifiterX wrote:

All coffee taste like swill to me.

You should brew it in a proper copper coffee pot.

Chrysler Dealership Closings: Why Certain Dealers Were Chosen Over Others

No, I can't speak to the truth of his argument.


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#74 2009-05-30 6:53 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

Sell Jeep and Chevrolet? Sure, why not… Have Chryslers mixed in with Fords? Many of these dealers saw nothing wrong with that.

There's a reason why many dealers see nothing wrong with that.
Unless the buyer has their heart set on a particular brand, the buyer will go to where the buyer can get the most selection, and even test drive different makes and models on the same day.

If that really is why they closed some of these places down, it is a colossal lack of understanding of what it takes to get the buyer into your dealership and will ultimately hurt Chrysler, because plenty of other auto dealers are not nearly so picky.


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#75 2009-05-30 7:08 pm

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Re: tinfoil hat: Is there a pattern to Chrysler dealership closures?

jerwin wrote:

ScifiterX wrote:

All coffee taste like swill to me.

You should brew it in a proper copper coffee pot.

Chrysler Dealership Closings: Why Certain Dealers Were Chosen Over Others

No, I can't speak to the truth of his argument.

I reinterate ALL coffee taste like swill to me. Then again that's probably for the best in my case. Caffeine does bad things to me.

Looks like they put in more thought than I suspected they were doing.

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