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I think most all of the intelligent republicans (and there are plenty) are just kinda laying low waiting for the crazies to run out of steam.
Think of it, would you want to try to be a "voice of reason" in the republican party right now? You'd be run out on a rail.

resedit wrote:

wellfleation wrote:

He mentioned things like religion, morale crusades against gay marriage, and other social issues that are irrelevant to young voters but the Reps continue to jam down their throats. He then mentioned how the Reps used to be the party of inclusion but beginning with Reagan began this morale crusade that split the party within itself as well as built up walls between Reps and Dems that were not there previously.

I'm sorry, but if the republican party is going to have to pander to become relevant than I want no part in it.
Parties need to be hot or cold, lukewarm panderers are only good for being spewn out of the mouth.

As if pandering to the religious right isnt what got them so deep into the nutjob zone in the first place!

resedit wrote:

wellfleation wrote:

He mentioned things like religion, morale crusades against gay marriage, and other social issues that are irrelevant to young voters but the Reps continue to jam down their throats. He then mentioned how the Reps used to be the party of inclusion but beginning with Reagan began this morale crusade that split the party within itself as well as built up walls between Reps and Dems that were not there previously.

I'm sorry, but if the republican party is going to have to pander to become relevant than I want no part in it.
Parties need to be hot or cold, lukewarm panderers are only good for being spewn out of the mouth.

Yes, I'm sure that the Revelation of St. John the Divine was meant to be applied to the GOP.

Perhaps St. John the Divine needed to spend less time with his bong...

Indeed.

My own hypothesis is that the Abrahamic religions are based primarily on people getting baked, wandering into the desert and having visions: Abraham, Moses, Jacob, John the Baptist, JC, Paul, Mohammed, Joseph Smith...

Last edited by robco (2009-07-11 3:47 pm)

I really don't like the thought of religious affilitaiton in political parties.

Can anyone say Taliban?

Ooh... new dish. Yeah, it's the dog days/doldrums.

Missteps, ignored advice on Palin’s route to exit
Seemingly relentless string of professional, personal woes led to decision

This article was reported by Jim Rutenberg from New York and Serge F. Kovaleski from Wasilla and Anchorage, Alaska. Jo Becker reported from New York and Kim Severson and William Yardley from Wasilla and Anchorage.

ANCHORAGE (NYT) - In late March, a senior official from the Republican Governors Association headed for Alaska on a secret mission. Sarah Palin was beset by such political and personal turmoil that some powerful supporters determined an intervention was needed to pull her governorship, and her national future, back from the brink.

The official, the association’s executive director, Nick Ayers, arrived with a memorandum containing firm counsel, according to several people who know its details: Make a long-term schedule and stick to it, have staff members set aside ample and inviolable family time to replenish your spirits, and build a coherent home-state agenda that creates jobs and ensures re-election.

Like so much of the advice sent Ms. Palin’s way by influential supporters, it appeared to be happily received and then largely discarded, barely slowing what was, in retrospect, an inexorable march toward the resignation she announced 10 days ago.

Ms. Palin had returned to her home state from the presidential campaign as one of the hopeful prospects in her struggling party, even if she had much to prove to her detractors. Standing before the Legislature in January, she vowed to retake her office with “optimism and collaboration and hard work to get the job done.”

But interviews in Alaska and in Washington show that a seemingly relentless string of professional and personal troubles quickly put that goal out of reach.

resedit wrote:

wellfleation wrote:

He mentioned things like religion, morale crusades against gay marriage, and other social issues that are irrelevant to young voters but the Reps continue to jam down their throats. He then mentioned how the Reps used to be the party of inclusion but beginning with Reagan began this morale crusade that split the party within itself as well as built up walls between Reps and Dems that were not there previously.

I'm sorry, but if the republican party is going to have to pander to become relevant than I want no part in it.
Parties need to be hot or cold, lukewarm panderers are only good for being spewn out of the mouth.

No place for moderates in resedit's political spectrum.

Edit: or compromise.

Last edited by JakeTheTall (2009-07-13 3:35 pm)

JakeTheTall wrote:

resedit wrote:

wellfleation wrote:

He mentioned things like religion, morale crusades against gay marriage, and other social issues that are irrelevant to young voters but the Reps continue to jam down their throats. He then mentioned how the Reps used to be the party of inclusion but beginning with Reagan began this morale crusade that split the party within itself as well as built up walls between Reps and Dems that were not there previously.

I'm sorry, but if the republican party is going to have to pander to become relevant than I want no part in it.
Parties need to be hot or cold, lukewarm panderers are only good for being spewn out of the mouth.

No place for moderates in resedit's political spectrum.

Edit: or compromise.

Nothing to do with moderates.
As far as compromise goes -

I've often offered a compromise - make abortion and death penalty constitutionally illegal, with exception of medical emergency for the former. No one on the left wants to compromise. They would rather have the right to kill innocent babies than to protect convicted murders. I'm not sure why.

resedit wrote:

I've often offered a compromise - make abortion and death penalty constitutionally illegal, with exception of medical emergency for the former. No one on the left wants to compromise. They would rather have the right to kill innocent babies than to protect convicted murders. I'm not sure why.

Anything to make my commute shorter.

And what exactly do you hope to accomplish by making abortion constitutionally illegal? Do you honestly believe that will end abortion? Did we learn no lessons from prohibition and the failed War on Drugs? Do you think that the US will be a moral nation then and god will raise his protective shields around us once more? Or will we need the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage too?

Many on the left share your desire to see the number of abortions reduced (they'll never be zero), they just don't want to make criminals out of women and health care providers. There are circumstances where abortion should be allowed. But when it comes to learning why a woman might seek an abortion and why it would be a more viable option over others - the right has zero interest in doing that. They just want to check of the 'Make Abortion Illegal" box and move on. Actually, they don't because like the civil unions the Dems dangle in front of the LBGT community, they don't ever want to expend any political capital to make it happen because it's an important wedge issue.

Let's also not forget that about half the country supports it. If there is a "silent majority" of conservatives and the US is truly a center-right nation, then you have quite a few folks in your camp to get on board. It ain't just the lefties that want to keep it legal. My assumption would be that few are at either extreme. I don't think most people want to see no restriction, nor do they want a complete ban. But the fringes on either side won't rest until abortion is completely illegal (even in the case of rape, incest or lack of viability of the fetus or to protect the health of the mother), or all abortion procedures are legal.

Besides, how do you know all the fetuses would be innocent? I mean, by simple numbers we've had to have aborted quite a few sociopaths by now...