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#1 2009-07-04 1:16 am
- macnuke
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new video card for Xp Pro box
ok... i haven't been able to get any definitive info...
my significant other needs a new vid card.
she has plenty processor and ram ( i think??)... but she is now driving a 24" display and kinda needs something a bit faster for gaming.
not gunna buy her an electric diamond, but what's a really good card? 
like the topic says... Xp Pro. with alla updates to it.
? 1.9GHz ( Brisbane core ) AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+
? AM2 ( 1GHz / 2,000MT/s Bus ) AMD 690G based motherboard
? 160GB SATA II HDD
? Case w/ Window + LED fans
? 430W PSU
? 2GB PC2-6400 ( DDR2-800 )
? RADEON X1650XT 256MB PCI-E
is current config with the ram upped to 4G

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#2 2009-07-04 2:35 am
Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
Right now I would recommend either the ATI 4770 or the ATI 4830 as a good option. They will not break the bank, but have fairly good specs.
I have a 4830 in my gaming machine.
iMac C2D, 2.0 GHz, OS X 10.6.1, 2.5 GB Ram.
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#3 2009-07-04 8:31 am
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
For a 24" display (presumably 1920x1200), I would go with something with a bit more oomph --Like a 4870.
Here's three cards at newegg:
4830 4870 GTX 260
In terms of performance per dollar, the GTX 260 is the worst of the three --It's both slower and more expensive than the 4870 (just tossed it in for comparison). The 4830 and 4870 both give about the same performance per dollar. So in other words, the 4870 costs more and performs proportionately better --Still without breaking the bank.
btw, good job finding a gamer chick.
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#4 2009-07-04 11:18 am
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
If you want to wait a bit, the ATI 5000 series of cards will be out soon (I'm hoping this month, but the INQ hasn't said anything, and they're usually first to the story), and will drive the prices of the 4000 series cards even lower than they already are.
But if you don't want to wait, get a 4870 1GB.
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#5 2009-07-04 1:57 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
Well first, what is your price range? For the monitor size, better (around 4870/4850 level) will help a bit but if you don't want to spend $200, you'll have to look more midrange. Also your CPU is very poor and you would notice the difference if you upgraded that as well. Since that is an AM2 board, check with your manufacturer to see if they've got Bios support for the new chips. Mine's a nvidia 570 and even it has support for the latest AM2 Phenoms. But GPU first off will give you quite a nice bang, more so than CPU as your current GPU is much crappier. However, you might want to start thinking about that and saving up.
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#6 2009-07-04 3:35 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
CPU is down the road, if at all w/out a concurrent mobo upgrade, which would change the rules anyway. First issue is the increased real estate; 1920x1200 is getting up there. Not surprised a 1650 doesn't cut it when a 1900/1950 wouldn't either.
If the PSU's in good shape with good current on the 12v rail, I'd likely side with Books and say 4870 in 1GB flava. The increased VRAM helps significantly at high res; there's little diff at 1680x1050 or less unless texture loads are really heavy. 4770s are sweet and use less power, make less heat, but are only starting to get into halfway decent supply and also have only half the memory bandwidth of 4850s/70s/90s. Not really cost competitive atm with 4870s, now down to or below $130 in 512MB, ~$150 for 1GB. 4770s are mostly holding around $110-$120.
I really like the 4890, but you'd pay rather more and they mainly come into their own when OCed, which might strain that PSU a bit. Might be worthwhile if the card will last into Win 7 usage- the new chips are DX10.1 and support fancier rendering modes & features once above XP, which only has DX9.0c. The more card you have, the more eye candy you can turn on, tho framerates will still be CPU-limited.
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#7 2009-07-04 11:53 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
thanks ladies n gents...
i would prefer not to go over 400 bucks... so 2-250 looks good, but only go close to it if you guys think the CPU is up to the task to stretch another couple years.
otherwise, i think i may let it just die and go mobo and vid card all at once.
am thinking quality of gaming and not really worried too terribly as much about pinching pennies.
the PS is golden on it's original specs. so i guess a larger one would be in order.
NC.... i'll research the bios and see whats up there.
otherwise, i can just gut the puppy and go mobo/cpu/gpu.
and if that's the route, then i will def pick some of your smarter than I brains.
also, fans aren't a problem.

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#8 2009-07-05 12:41 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
In 6 months there will be better buys, supporting DX11 and better performance, as even next-gen midrange cards will outperform today's high-end; so if you can wait that's a good approach.
With the original PSU good, one thing to consider is an aux PSU for the videocard. Another is that Win 7/64 will be much happier with RAM over 2GBs and VRAM in the GB+ range, due to the way the Win32 API maps memory/ VRAM. XP is happiest with 2GBs and, say, 512MB VRAM. IIRC AMD is coming shortly with a quad-core, 3.6GHz CPU. It's all improving, absolute and bang/buck.
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#9 2009-07-05 1:22 pm
Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
6 months is an awfully long time to wait. If you always wait, then you'll never end up upgrading. You can get a 1 GB Radeon 4870 for about $150, and it's quite fast. I wouldn't be surprised if it would be around as fast, or maybe even faster, as whatever next gen card comes out in that price range. If you're worried about DirectX 11, it's been 3 years and nobody's really relying on DirectX 10 yet, so by the time it becomes an issue it will likely be time to upgrade anyway.
However, your PSU may indeed not be powerful enough for the 4870. It requires 2 PCI-E power connectors, so if your PSU doesn't have enough connectors, it doesn't have enough power. I do agree that a processor upgrade will likely improve performance, especially for games such as Left4Dead that have a lot of AI and physics going on in the background, so it's something to look into. If you will need to upgrade your PSU for a 4870 and aren't willing to do that, you pretty much have 2 options: get a Radeon 4770 (or roughly equivalent NVidia card) or wait for the next generation.
There are a couple Radeon 4770 cards on Newegg that are available, but due to its popularity most manufactures are sold out. It's a fairly good mid-range card, using some of the manufacturing processes for the next gen cards, and is almost as fast as the Radeon 4850. It looks like they run for around $110.
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#10 2009-07-05 3:55 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
Well consider this...if you gut it and rebuild, you are looking at likely over $400 depending on the parts. Gotta consider:
-Board
-CPU
-Heatsink (unless you get a model that comes with one)
-GPU
-RAM (I forget this a lot but when you get a new board, you'll likely need all new RAM)...especially if you plan on Vista/7
-Optional new PSU depending on the amount of power parts you dump in it
AMD 690 is still a decent board so its not like you really have to buy new. Unless your board maker is a flake on bios update and you really have to have better.
What i'd prolly check with that budget is the benches on sites like Tom's for some of those GPUs at that res. See which one gives you the best performance for the price. Then put the rest into a good Phenom II if your bios supports it. But I would keep in mind during all of this, the power draw if you go too high performance.
I personally am running a 430W Antec, but i'm running it in tandem with a Thermaltake 250W 5.25 GPU PSU that is meant for SLI rigs. So in otherwords, my PSU is taking less stress and I can afford to dump on more. But you'll need to keep in mind how much you can really do. Looking at those 4770s would be a nice idea but you may just want to settle for a 4850/4830 if the 47s can't handle the res.
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#11 2009-07-06 8:09 am
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
the only real stress she puts on it is Warcraft.
I'm gunna check and see what it will take and if it's available to up the bios on the current board.
if it's a go, then i will proceed with the shopping to up the cpu, processor, PS and gpu.
as stated, it's not so much the money, but then again it is
5-600 dumped in it to bring it close to current won't hurt my feelings.
thanks a bunch guys. and if any of you have another suggestion, feel free to donate them.
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#12 2009-07-06 2:27 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
akb825 wrote:
If you're worried about DirectX 11, it's been 3 years and nobody's really relying on DirectX 10 yet, so by the time it becomes an issue it will likely be time to upgrade anyway.
The first DX10-only games are out, and perhaps Ear might disagree, at least in principle. He's a big racing fan (nearby thread).

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#13 2009-07-06 5:13 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
I'd say go for a 4770. A $200 card would most likely be overkill for that machine.
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#14 2009-07-06 11:49 pm
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
You could probably overhaul your machine to something with much higher performance for just a bit over $200 if you wanted to.
GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 MicroATX mobo for 50 bucks. It's no frills, but it overclocks and it's cheap, and has a very good rep.
An Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 is only 70 bucks and can easily get a 50% overclock on stock cooling.
You can get a 4850 now for 100 bucks. Although I'm not sure if that's better than the 4770.
Also, damn you americans and your cheap computer parts. This stuff in Canada is marked up by more than just the currency conversion.
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#15 2009-07-07 1:20 am
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
The 4850 & 4770 trade blows on benches, with the 4850 usually a little ahead. It's hotter and eats more juice, but is currently $15-$20 USD cheaper.
It's a good thing the main game is 'only' WoW. That needs beaucoup RAM and good CPU during raids, and the latest graphics upgrades push things a bit... but take a look at ArmA II for comparison. It's the new champ of demanding, and only gets away with it by its sim nature, so 25-30f/s is playable. (At Very High, nothing extant can really top 35 at 19x12).
Ed: With Starcraft 2 having a DX10.1 mode, DX10 for WoW is foreseeable not too far down the road.
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#16 2009-07-07 2:29 am
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
Yes, well WoW still has lesser requirements than say... Call of Duty 4. But higher requirements than it's purdiness would lead you to believe.
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#17 2009-07-15 1:04 am
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Re: new video card for Xp Pro box
This should be helpful re: performance: Contemporary Mainstream Graphics Cards in Popular MMORPG
"World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King," page 14.
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