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#1 2009-07-09 9:56 am

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godwin!

South Carolina, the gift that keeps on giving...

Last night, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) gave a short talk and Q&A at at the National Press Club about his book “Saving Freedom.” DeMint told a room of around 100 people about a conversation he’d had with an Iranian immigrant who was panicking about the surge of government spending and control under President Obama and the Democrats. Americans should listen to immigrants like her, said DeMint.

   

They understand socialism. They understand tyrants. But none of us have ever had it here. We don’t even know what it looks like. Part of what we’re trying to do in “Saving Freedom” is just show that where we are, we’re about where Germany was before World War II where they became a social democracy. You still had votes but the votes were just power grabs like you see in Iran, and other places in South America, like Chavez is running down in Venezuela. People become more dependent on the government so that they’re easy to manipulate. And they keep voting for more government because that’s where their security is. When our immigrants get here, they’re worried, because they see it happening here.

DeMint worried that it was the “eleventh hour” for freedom, but he disputed a question from a man who wondered if America was ripe for another revolution. “The reason I’m convinced we can do this in a civilized way is that I’ve seen, on a number of issues, that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

They lose a few elections, and suddenly we're little better than Nazi Germany.  That's what I call "patriotism!"

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#2 2009-07-09 10:12 am

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Re: godwin!

They would call a match lit by a democrat a conflagration.


Grandfatherly advice:  You can drink 'em pretty, but you can't drink 'em smart.

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#3 2009-07-09 10:19 am

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Re: godwin!

Didn't the righties try out a new meme ?  This <event> is just like the Reichstag fire !!


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#4 2009-07-09 11:17 am

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Re: godwin!

Next they'll start sewing elephant symbols on their coats.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#5 2009-07-09 1:43 pm

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Re: godwin!

He's absolutely right.

Evidenced by the fact you can't counter his point so instead poke fun.

You give too much power and control to the government, and it will be used for badness.
Power corrupts. Ultimate power ultimately corrupts.

Limit government.

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#6 2009-07-09 1:50 pm

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Re: godwin!

His "point" is too outrageous and over-the-top to take seriously.

All that's happened is that the Reps have lost elections and some of them are acting like there's been an armed insurrection.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#7 2009-07-09 1:54 pm

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Re: godwin!

That's not all that has happened.
Government is growing at an alarming rate, and people want the government to grow and take care of them.

The "great experiment" Thomas Jefferson spoke of us is failing.


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#8 2009-07-09 2:00 pm

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Now? Just now it's failing? The government just now started growing at an alarming rate?


I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.

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#9 2009-07-09 2:16 pm

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Re: godwin!

resedit wrote:

He's absolutely right.

Evidenced by the fact you can't counter his point so instead poke fun.

You give too much power and control to the government, and it will be used for badness.
Power corrupts. Ultimate power ultimately corrupts.

Limit government.

Oh boy, this should be fun.

If you wholeheartedly endorse his comment, then defend it. 

we’re about where Germany was before World War II

We're "about" there?  To where Germany was prior to World War II?  How so?  Be very specific.

...but the votes were just power grabs like you see in Iran, and other places in South America, like Chavez is running down in Venezuela.

What votes?  How are our "votes" similar to places like "Iran" or "other places in South America" like Venezuela?

How are people "more dependent" on government?


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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#10 2009-07-09 2:19 pm

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Re: godwin!

resedit wrote:

Government is growing at an alarming rate, and people want the government to grow and take care of them.

They do?  What "people" want this country to be like Iran, or Germany prior to WWII?


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#11 2009-07-09 2:39 pm

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If anything, the 2008 elections were proof that out electoral system is alive and well. If you spend 8 years screwing the country up, you're going to get tossed on your ass. Exactly the way a democracy should work.

The idea that Obama's victory was a foregone conclusion is laughable. Well, at least until McCain named his running mate.

If DeMint were truly living in Nazi Germany, he would probably be in jail right now for his comments.


We also know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling. - Henri Poincaré
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#12 2009-07-09 2:41 pm

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Re: godwin!

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Government is growing at an alarming rate, and people want the government to grow and take care of them.

They do?  What "people" want this country to be like Iran, or Germany prior to WWII?

Well, let's see. Iran is a theocracy. Which party would most like for the US to become a theocracy? confused


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#13 2009-07-09 3:53 pm

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Re: godwin!

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Government is growing at an alarming rate, and people want the government to grow and take care of them.

They do?  What "people" want this country to be like Iran, or Germany prior to WWII?

I never said we wanted it to be like those countries.


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#14 2009-07-09 3:54 pm

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The Enabling Act was passed in March 1933, with 444 votes, to the 94 of the remaining Social Democrats. The act gave the government (and thus effectively the Nazi Party) legislative powers and also authorized it to deviate from the provisions of the constitution for four years. In effect, Hitler had seized dictatorial powers.

Over the next year, the National Socialist Party ruthlessly eliminated all opposition. The Communists had already been banned before the passage of the Enabling Act. The Social Democrats (SPD), despite efforts to appease Hitler, were banned in June. In June and July, the Nationalists (DNVP), People's Party (DVP) and State Party (DStP) were forced to disband. The remaining Catholic Centre Party, at Papen's urging, disbanded itself on 5 July 1933 after guarantees over Catholic education and youth groups. On 14 July 1933 Germany was officially declared a one-party state.

Further consolidation of power was achieved on 30 January 1934 with the Gesetz über den Neuaufbau des Reichs (Act to rebuild the Reich). The act changed the highly decentralized federal Germany of the Weimar era into a centralized state. It disbanded state parliaments, transferring sovereign rights of the states to the Reich central government and put the state administrations under the control of the Reich administration. This process had actually begun soon after the passage of the Enabling Act, when all state governments were thrown out of office and replaced by Reich governors (German: Reichsstatthalter). Further laws ended any autonomy in local government. Mayors of cities and towns with less than 100,000 people were appointed by the governors, while the Interior Minister appointed the mayors of all cities with more than 100,000 people. In the case of Berlin and Hamburg (and after 1938, Vienna), Hitler reserved the right to personally appoint the mayors.

At Hindenburg's death on 2 August 1934 the Nazi-controlled Reichstag merged the offices of Reichspräsident and Reichskanzler and reinstalled Hitler with the new title Führer und Reichskanzler. Until the death of Hindenburg, the army did not follow Hitler, partly because the paramilitary SA was much larger than the German Army (limited to 100,000 by the Treaty of Versailles) and because the leaders of the SA sought to merge the army into itself and to launch the socialist "second revolution." The murder of Ernst Röhm and the leadership of the SA, assured the army of its position. Hitler further promised expansions of the German military which brought friendlier relations between him and the Reichswehr. The death of Hindenburg brought the requirement of all soldiers' to take an oath of allegiance to obey Hitler alone and not the Reich or constitution of Germany.[16]

The Nazis thereafter proceeded to scrap their official alliance with the conservative nationalists and began to introduce Nazi ideology and Nazi symbolism into all major aspects of life in Germany. Schoolbooks were either rewritten or replaced and schoolteachers who did not support Nazification of the curriculum were fired.

It's like looking into a mirror!

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#15 2009-07-09 3:57 pm

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Re: godwin!

Jawhol Herr Reichsfuhrer!


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#16 2009-07-09 3:59 pm

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Re: godwin!

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

Government is growing at an alarming rate, and people want the government to grow and take care of them.

They do?  What "people" want this country to be like Iran, or Germany prior to WWII?

I never said we wanted it to be like those countries.

Do you endorse his comments, or not?


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#17 2009-07-09 4:03 pm

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Re: godwin!

sturner wrote:

Jawhol Herr Reichsfuhrer!

Nein.

Bratboy = Ron Vibbentrop.

Reassigned to the Russian Front, von sturner.


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#18 2009-07-09 4:05 pm

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Re: godwin!

Just remember, nixen mixen der Panzertruppen mit der poopentruppen.


I'm not dead yet.
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#19 2009-07-09 4:10 pm

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Re: godwin!

Hmm... ja. OKH records confirm. Reassignment amended to Eastern Front, digging latrines- er, 'support facilities.'


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#20 2009-07-09 4:32 pm

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Re: godwin!

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:


They do?  What "people" want this country to be like Iran, or Germany prior to WWII?

I never said we wanted it to be like those countries.

Do you endorse his comments, or not?

Yes - I agree with what he said.
It's called consequences of the path we are taking.

Coddle and over shelter your child growing up and what happens?
Is that the intent of the parents who do it?
No. But it is a consequence.


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#21 2009-07-09 4:36 pm

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Re: godwin!

DeMint complains about "power grabs" as if the candidates running for office in ANY election dont get the job they run for.


"Live with your head in the lion's mouth. I want you to overcome 'em with yeses, undermine 'em with grins, agree 'em to death and destruction, let 'em swoller you till they vomit or bust wide open." -Ralph Ellison

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#22 2009-07-09 4:40 pm

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Re: godwin!

resedit wrote:

Yes - I agree with what he said.
It's called consequences of the path we are taking.

What path are we taking?  That of Nazi Germany?  Explain, demonstrating your surely vast knowledge of history.

Coddle and over shelter your child growing up and what happens?
Is that the intent of the parents who do it?
No. But it is a consequence.

Who is being "coddled" and "over sheltered?"  Be specific.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

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#23 2009-07-09 4:42 pm

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Re: godwin!

StaticAge wrote:

DeMint complains about "power grabs" as if the candidates running for office in ANY election dont get the job they run for.

Isn't it amazing, how those who just a short time ago were screaming "you're with us or your against us" are suddenly muttering about "revolution" and "secession" and complaining that the system is bad and on the verge of collapse, all because the voters kicked them out on their asses.


"One thing we've learned is there's a difference between being disappointed and having madmen in authority."

                                                                   --Paul Krugman

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#24 2009-07-09 4:47 pm

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Re: godwin!

And I thought Germany's problem was not the political system of election, but the inefficiency of their executive branch and the terrible economy. But power-wise, the people had tons of opportunity for representation- just form a new party and get a ticket to the big table. There were lots of political parties in Germany in their legislative branch. It was not that hard to organize and get representation in government- as if that is a bad thing. The bad economy made Hitler's speeches about abandoning the political smorgasbord in favor of a more centralized government gain popularity. Then the Nazi's took advantage of crises in order to continually gain more and more power.


"Live with your head in the lion's mouth. I want you to overcome 'em with yeses, undermine 'em with grins, agree 'em to death and destruction, let 'em swoller you till they vomit or bust wide open." -Ralph Ellison

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#25 2009-07-09 4:48 pm

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Re: godwin!

bratboy wrote:

StaticAge wrote:

DeMint complains about "power grabs" as if the candidates running for office in ANY election dont get the job they run for.

Isn't it amazing, how those who just a short time ago were screaming "you're with us or your against us" are suddenly muttering about "revolution" and "secession" and complaining that the system is bad and on the verge of collapse, all because the voters kicked them out on their asses.

Its amazing in the sense that they continue to sink to newer and newer lows.


"Live with your head in the lion's mouth. I want you to overcome 'em with yeses, undermine 'em with grins, agree 'em to death and destruction, let 'em swoller you till they vomit or bust wide open." -Ralph Ellison

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