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Missed it by one vote.  Worth trying again.  If it can get 59 to get introduced as an amendment, with the right amount of lobbying it should be able to be made into a standalone bill with the necessary 67 votes to override the inevitable Obama veto.

Can you imagine how stupid it would be to have your drivers license from, say, Pennsylvania, be invalid in New York?  Because that's how it is with gun licensing right now.

Last edited by Daniel (2009-07-22 7:05 pm)

Daniel wrote:

Can you imagine how stupid it would be to have your drivers license from, say, Pennsylvania, be invalid in New York?  Because that's how it is with gun licensing right now.

Poor analogy- a drivers license kind of implies mobility in a way that firearms do not. But did you know that in many states your license to practice business as a qualified professional may also be invalid in other states? Crazy, I know.

It would also suggest that any attempt by states to outlaw concealed carry would be futile.

Then it would be applied to federal properties not entire states.

StaticAge wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Can you imagine how stupid it would be to have your drivers license from, say, Pennsylvania, be invalid in New York?  Because that's how it is with gun licensing right now.

Poor analogy- a drivers license kind of implies mobility in a way that firearms do not. But did you know that in many states your license to practice business as a qualified professional may also be invalid in other states? Crazy, I know.

"Implied mobility" is really pretty irrelevant and not a good justification.  Driver's Licenses are a state-issued license that follow federal guidelines to allow relative uniformity and uniform reciprocity between the several states.

bratboy wrote:

If a state wanted to accept such licenses from other states, couldn't it make such a determination on its own?

That's how it works now, and it results in needing to have one of these, and it's a mess overall.

Daniel wrote:

Can you imagine how stupid it would be to have your drivers license from, say, Pennsylvania, be invalid in New York?  Because that's how it is with gun licensing right now.

State refusal to recognize other state's driver's licenses would constitute a violation of the dormant commerce clause as it would constitute either a) a discriminatory ban on out of state commerce (with commerce being defined in federal courts as "intercourse" between the states) or b) an undue burden on interstate commerce.

There would be no similar constitutional bar to state regulation of concealed weapon permits.

Whether or not the 2nd Amendment allows for ccw is up to SCOTUS. It isn't explicit, nor was it really an issue when the Constitution was written. Then again, small semi-automatic weapons that are easily concealed and can take out several people in a matter of seconds wasn't exactly in the minds of the authors either. If that were the case, they may have made the provision a bit more explicit.

Short of an outright ban, the feds need to stay the hell out of the issue. I'm glad CA is a may carry state and permits are difficult to obtain. It's more of an issue in urban areas, but the last thing Oakland and East LA need are more guns. The flyover states can do whatever they want, just leave the guns at home when you visit.

Slack gun laws?
In Texas you must attend a 16 hour class just to carry concealed. Do you know what kind of pain in the ass that is?

I needs to carry my PPKS everywheres! There are lots of despicable people out there that I must defend against!

I thought that most of the states already had a reciprocal policy with conceal carry?

Does this new legislation mean none do now?

-mark

avkills wrote:

I thought that most of the states already had a reciprocal policy with conceal carry?

Does this new legislation mean none do now?

-mark

What new legislation?

Actually, I wouldn't mind if states could stop accepting each other's drivers licenses. People from certain states, almost as a rule, cannot smurfing drive, and I hate when they're clogging up the Long Island Expressway. Similarly, I can imagine many states not wanting NYers driving around. We are not fit to be on the road in states where people do weird smurf like obey speed limits and follow the right of way.

Anyway, licenses to teach, practice law, practice accounting, and a bunch of other mundane things, are not universally accepted state to state. I don't see why carrying a gun is more worthy of special legislation than any of those things.