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Bat wrote:

Chill, Frank. You and Czach already had one vacation for this kind of thing. A mild poke in the ribs w/smiley is hardly ridicule, but you flying off the handle in response skirts DBAJ dangerously, IMHO. Sci, he I know understands a mild ribbing.

My original point was back in post 51. Sci, then you disputed it; you asked for evidence (52-57). Sci forgot for a spell; I provided it above with help from Coxy. The above is what I get back.

sturner wrote:

Would you two like to move this thread to Mini-think?

It's already qualified in vitrol, and the subject is no longer really tightly tied to the thread thesis.

I'm about ready. "Could your response be any more ridiculous,""Bat in a bar wrote" are pushing it. Should I load both barrels?

And I'm sorry but I have to say one more thing. Look up. No, near the top of your screen. Do you see where you are??? You are in the Mac|Life forums. Would you like to buy a clue???

You should. It was OK even in MAF days for a platform agnostic to be a Mod. Membership rules do not require you be a Cupertino fanboy; in fact I can cite a number of members who are PC-only. You and Cza want this forum to be a rah-rah Apple cheerleading place, upbeat topics only. It never was that, and as Apple expands its demographic reach, a wider range of folks become members. It's not '99, Apple is far past being 'beleagured' and uses x86 architectures/tech. The membership is less insular, not one keeping the faith against impending doom. I suggest you buy a clue; you can't have it both ways, and time won't move backwards.

See the red title? I'm a vet, and don't need reminders nor lectures.

You have a really poor memory if you think that this type of post is why Czach and I had a timeout. You also have a poor memory if you think we were the only two that had a timeout.

If my two prior posts justify me being kicked out of these forums then this isn't a place worth being a part of anymore. IOW, you are really stretching things here.

The reason I had a problem with your post is that it was completely off topic and really didn't add anything positive to the discussion. The only purpose it served was to make a dig at two other members. It really doesn't matter whether it was to the level of ridicule or only mild ribbing. If you don't agree with what I posted then tell me why. I'd be happy to have that conversation. However, your post wasn't about having a conversation. It was about dismissing what I wrote by dismissing me. That could be seen as a violation of the DBAJ rule.

The bottom line is that you blame me for reading into what you wrote when you claim it was only mild ribbing and yet you are guilty of the same thing with your response to what I wrote. Why is it that your joke is a joke and mine is me being a jerk? Just because you don't like my joke does NOT mean I'm being a jerk. I thought my joke about what you might say in a bar was very funny. You not getting my sense of humor does not make me a jerk. If you can't take a joke then don't joke with me.

Now let's talk about the concept of where we are and your strange view of that. I don't care if you are platform agnostic. I don't care if half the members are platform agnostic. I am not requiring anyone to be a fanboy. Now, those members that are PC-only, I don't have a problem with them being here but I am curious as to why they are here. Do they have that much extra time on their hands that they can post to forums where they don't have an interest???

I do not want the forum to be rah-rah Apple. I just don't want it to be the opposite. There are too many people in here that simply hate everything Apple does. I don't get why they come here if that is the case. Life is too short. Go buy products that you do like. Go talk in forums related to things you like.

My pointing out where we are is not meant to say that others aren't welcome. It is meant as a rebuff to you taking a dig at people that are not platform agnostic in the Mac|Life forums. Does that even make sense? If it isn't okay to not be platform agnostic in these forums then where exactly is it okay??? The fact is that most people have made a choice one way or the other as to which platform they prefer. That does not mean that they can not look at the other platform and see the flaws. You obviously have no problem with people who are not Apple fanboys pointing out what they think are the flaws with Apple. So why do you think it doesn't make sense for me to point out the flaws with what Microsoft is doing? Your posts in this conversation make you look like a Microsoft fanboy so does that mean you aren't allowed to post anything about Apple? No, it doesn't.

Was there something inaccurate in what I posted and Sci QFT? I still haven't heard that response.

As to your title proving that you're a vet, it doesn't. What it proves is that you have a lot of time on your hands. I've been a member for longer than you and yet you've posted almost 6x as many posts. Over 27,000 posts in 8 years??? Dude, that is an average of almost 10 per day. Do you work for a living?

Bat wrote:

No, 7 doesn't have WinFS and more- I think that's dead anyway- but really, given the time factor, the new guys have done quite a job. The RTM is better still if hardly perfect, but... in under 3 years the new Winders guys have finished SP3 for XP, SPs 1 & 2 for Vista and done 7. That's a lot to get done and do mostly right.

Okay, back on topic. What I meant earlier was how do they get back the 5 years they lost? I appreciate what you are saying about these new guys really kicking ass. However, is what they are doing good enough to make up for the 5 years in the wilderness that resulted in Vista?

Frank

My opinion is that it will do wonders for their reputation. Much as OS X made up for the years of wandering Apple did. If it is perceived as stable and reliable, then much would be forgiven.

On the other hand, there is a great deal of history of MS appearing to turn to the good side and then coming right back to the authoritarian days of "users will do what they are told, We know what's best for you" and allowing that arrogance to be expressed publically in various ways.

sturner wrote:

My opinion is that it will do wonders for their reputation. Much as OS X made up for the years of wandering Apple did. If it is perceived as stable and reliable, then much would be forgiven.

On the other hand, there is a great deal of history of MS appearing to turn to the good side and then coming right back to the authoritarian days of "users will do what they are told, We know what's best for you" and allowing that arrogance to be expressed publically in various ways.

Two good points but as a user I don't really care about what it does for their reputation. I do hope it leads to them making a more usable, enjoyable product.

There is a reason why the college where I work, every other school I've visited and collaborated with, and every business that my friends work for are still using XP. And XP was released nearly 9 years ago. I hope the team that has been working on Windows 7 keeps at it. However, even if they create really cool stuff they still have to get it through the ridiculous marketing and sales department of Microsoft, which is oblivious to the needs of their customers. Have you seen the upgrade paths for Windows 7?

sturner wrote:

Yes I have.

I like Apple's upgrade path better.

It's seriously a contention of who works harder at pissing customers off at Microsoft. The management who make the design descisions, or the marketing department.

Amen.