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#1 2009-07-28 5:09 pm
Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Got the following "Psystar Meta Update" in today's e-mail. I find that last bit about people who "traditionally can't afford more expensive systems" to be amazingly condescending. I guess Psystar envisions a bunch of shoeless peasants dancing in the streets to Mariachi music because someone has deigned to sell them Hackintoshes:
In comes the cavalry
Psystar has always been more a Cowboy than a Hippie. Now we’ve changed lawyers to better reflect who we are. Camara & Sibley LLP of Houston, Texas, has officially become our primary legal counsel in our ongoing litigation with Apple.
Everyone here values openness. And that’s how we’re going to fight Apple: in public. We have nothing to hide. We buy hundreds of copies of OS X legally, from retailers like Amazon and Apple itself. We’re probably one of Apple’s biggest customers. Then we install these copies of OS X, along with kernel extensions that we wrote in-house, on computers that we buy and build. Then we resell the package to people like you. That’s it.
Apple’s copyright on OS X doesn’t give Apple the right to tell people what they can do with it after they buy a copy...
To continue reading, visit the Psystar Community ...
Calling all cars
In the past, Psystar has taken a reserved stance towards interactions with the public and media under the advice of our previous legal counsel. We would like to apologize to everyone, as this has never reflected the opinion of Psystar Corporation, nor its founders or employees.
To better communicate with our user base, we are now announcing the launch of the Psystar Community. We invite you to come and exchange ideas with us and let us know what topics you’re interested in. We will also be transitioning all open source materials from Psystar to the community site and are developing a wiki to better explain and perhaps even standardize methods for running OS X on generic Intel hardware.
Although you may not need an Open Computer today, everyone does have the right to run legally purchased software on any hardware they see fit. And after all, that is what Psystar is about, open computing, open source and open minds. Visit our new community site and help to show your support of Psystar. A little competition in the market place never hurt anyone…except the cartel.
Visit the Psystar Community
Open computing goes south of the border
Our vision at Psystar has always been to offer affordable computers systems of every flavor to the masses. Psystar is proud to announce it is expanding its distribution to South America, with our newest distributor based in Guatemala. For information on becoming a distributor, contact distributors@psystar.com.
We feel this is a large step in the right direction of getting open computers to people who traditionally can’t afford more expensive systems. Our South American customers rejoice, open computers have reached your shores.
"It's better to be a pirate than to join the Navy."
--Steve Jobs
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#2 2009-07-28 9:22 pm
- user
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
We don' need no steeeeenking license!
Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.
Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.
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#4 2009-07-29 1:43 am
Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Good on them.
The URL is http://community.psystar.com/ for those who were wondering.
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#5 2009-07-29 2:01 am
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I hope they all lose their shirts. If you want open computing, use an open operating with open source software.
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#6 2009-07-29 2:37 am
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Something just occurred to me: Maybe Psystar hopes to establish a customer base in South American countries because those markets are not directly affected by US court decisions.
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#7 2009-07-29 8:53 am
- SomeOneOrOther
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
If Psystar were smart, they would have made their home base in China.
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#8 2009-07-29 1:57 pm
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Bren spam is pretty borderline as tech news, imho.
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#10 2009-07-30 4:33 am
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robco wrote:
I hope they all lose their shirts. If you want open computing, use an open operating with open source software.
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#11 2009-08-14 3:26 am
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More bizarre tirades from Psystar's latest e-mail! Among other things today, they had to say the following:
A taste of their own medicine
We are pleased to announce that an agreement with Apple's counsel was reached earlier this month and we now have the final list of their deponents for our proposed topics with respect to this litigation. For the past week and for the following ten days we will be doing depositions of some of Apple's highest level people. After numerous depositions of Psystar employees and associates the shoe is finally on the other foot, oh the joy!
Now given that there is a significant interest in this litigation aside from the business interest of Psystar, in particularly those of the OSX86 community and others; we want all your input. On that note we're taking the top ten most highly moderated questions for each person to be asked at their depositions. Please bear in mind that these must relate to the litigation at hand and if you feel this correlation is unclear, please elaborate to help us better understand your perspective and/or argument.
Head over to the Community Site for more information and a complete list of the depodents.
Okaaayyyy...
First of all, I was under the impression that these guys had royally pissed off the OSX86 community, so it's funny to see them implying that their interests are aligned.
Secondly, what does "the top ten most highly moderated questions" even mean?
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#12 2009-08-17 3:47 pm
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Bren wrote:
Secondly, what does "the top ten most highly moderated questions" even mean?
Community moderation where the questions are rated by other users.
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#13 2009-08-18 9:25 am
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So they should have said that. Too me, in the context of Web communities, the term "moderated" implies some type of action taken by a forum's moderators, as opposed to votes cast by users.
So instead of just doing what their lawyers tell them to, they're crowd-sourcing their deposition strategy. Innovative and brash and kinda funny, I'll give them credit for that much.
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#14 2009-09-01 11:20 am
- jerwin
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Bren wrote:
So they should have said that. Too me, in the context of Web communities, the term "moderated" implies some type of action taken by a forum's moderators, as opposed to votes cast by users.
I bet you don't even have a slashdot account.
anyway, Psystar is mad about Snow Leopard.
“By tying its operating system to Apple-branded hardware, Apple restrains trade in personal computers that run Mac OS X, collects monopoly rents on its Macintoshes, and monopolizes the market for ‘premium computers,’” said Psystar’s lawsuit, filed last Wednesday. “Apple’s share of revenue in the market for premium computers—computers priced at over $1,000—is currently 91%.”
Is the Open(7) not selling as well as you'd hoped, psystar?
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#15 2009-09-01 11:40 am
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jerwin wrote:
Bren wrote:
So they should have said that. Too me, in the context of Web communities, the term "moderated" implies some type of action taken by a forum's moderators, as opposed to votes cast by users.
I bet you don't even have a slashdot account.
anyway, Psystar is mad about Snow Leopard.“By tying its operating system to Apple-branded hardware, Apple restrains trade in personal computers that run Mac OS X, collects monopoly rents on its Macintoshes, and monopolizes the market for ‘premium computers,’” said Psystar’s lawsuit, filed last Wednesday. “Apple’s share of revenue in the market for premium computers—computers priced at over $1,000—is currently 91%.”
Is the Open(7) not selling as well as you'd hoped, psystar?
booohooohooo, I have to hack Mac OS X again, not fair!!! 

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#16 2009-09-03 11:59 pm
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91%, I have a very hard time believing that figure.
That being said, I firmly believe that one should be able to do whatever one wants with legally purchased software, if you want to resell it, you should be allowed to provided you sell all disks, and remove all copies and backups of it you have. If you want to hack the software to improve compatibility, you should be allowed to do so, and no EULA should be allowed to prevent this. I even believe that the DMCA has a specific clause concerning the right to circumvent DRM in order to make software compatible with another platform.
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#17 2009-09-04 12:05 am
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Some subjects actually enjoy pain, and withhold information they might otherwise have divulged in order to be punished.
Central Intelligence Agency. (1983). Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual
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#18 2009-09-26 7:50 am
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Some1, all of your points are totally valid, but here's the thing:
The way it's always been for us Mac users is that any time we want to install a copy of the Mac OS on any machine, we can just do it, with no hassle about authentication keys or serial numbers or whatever.
Apple can afford to be very cool about such matters because even if you only pay for one copy and then go ahead and install the Mac OS on every computer in your house, every single one of those computers is a computer that Apple sold at some point and made money from.
Psystar changes all that.
As much as their arguments may hold water, I personally do not look forward to the day when OS X comes with Apple's version of Windows Genuine Advantage.
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#20 2009-09-26 11:10 am
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Bren wrote:
As much as their arguments may hold water, I personally do not look forward to the day when OS X comes with Apple's version of Windows Genuine Advantage.
Windows Genuine Advantage doesn't work. The final version of Windows 7 was already permanently cracked, and it hasn't even officially been released yet. This is par for the course, as copy protection goes. I don't think Apple would be foolish enough to waste precious resources on this crap.
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#21 2009-09-26 11:20 am
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Windows Genuine Advantage doesn't work
You'll have to be more specific.
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#22 2009-09-26 11:22 am
- Mr. T
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ScifiterX wrote:
And at a higher cost
Modern hackintoshes are easier than ever to get going, and work absolutely flawlessly --How has Apple responded? By selling a Snow Leopard "upgrade" for a mere $30 that doesn't check the OS version you're installing over --in fact, it allows a clean install!
Yeah, I'd say you guys have nothing to worry about.
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#23 2009-09-26 11:27 am
- Mr. T
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
jerwin wrote:
Windows Genuine Advantage doesn't work
You'll have to be more specific.
Mr. T wrote:
The final version of Windows 7 was already permanently cracked, and it hasn't even officially been released yet. This is par for the course, as copy protection goes.
WGA was permanently cracked in XP, not long after its introduction. WGA was permanently cracked in Vista shortly after its official release. And now, WGA is permanently cracked in Windows 7, before it's official release. Therefore, it doesn't work.
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#24 2009-09-26 11:33 am
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It does protect against piracy, it doesn't directly evaluate the integrity or security of any computer, and it doesn't protect actual customers from being victim of false positive readings.
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#25 2009-09-26 11:39 am
- jerwin
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Re: Poor and Hispanic? Join the Psystar Community!
Steve Jobs took a leave of absence recently. The lack of any major incompatibilities might well be a side effect of Apple's philosophy that things should "just work," and not an endorsement of clones per se.
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