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#1 2009-07-29 6:30 pm

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Chicken Little
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Watch out for gold / silver bubble

I'm starting to see the same trend that happened in the 90s with tech stocks and more recently with real estate stocks - too much emphasis is being put on gold and silver bullions, spam for it is increasing and even junk mail is increasing.

This may ultimately result in an artificial bubble that results in prices being higher than what the bullion is actually worth, but instead of looking at what it is worth, people will look at the increase and further drive the price up by thinking it is a sure investment, much like what happened with some tech stocks, real estate , and oil speculation.

Anyway, as someone who recently bought some and stated so here, and still think it is a good idea to own some, just be careful and buy cautiously because like all investments, hype can artificially inflate the price and there are rich devious bastards out there who are very good at jacking up perceived wealth only to sell their own supply shortly before the crash. So watch it and try not to get suckered, and invest conservatively, don't look for the big payout - as the value climbs higher, that also gives it more room to fall when the crash does come.


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#2 2009-07-29 7:04 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Will this be pre-hockey stick or post-hockey stick?


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#3 2009-07-29 7:23 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

It will be post tennis racquet.

Seriously - the spam I am getting (e and snail) is using the same rhetoric as real estate spam - talking about fixed supply meaning values are only going to go up, etc.

Another clever trick is showing gold vs dollar without adjusting the dollar for inflation, which would flatten the curve (even a standard 4% interest rate bank account rises - but often slower than inflation, thus actually devaluing over time)


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#4 2009-07-29 8:05 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Thanks for the warning...I'll not bank on my gold bullion collection too dearly.


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#5 2009-07-29 8:31 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

sounds like something resulting from all you nuts saying that we need to go back to a gold standard.


The recent medical controversy over whether vaccinations cause autism reveals a habit of human cognition—thinking anecdotally comes naturally, whereas thinking scientifically does not. -- Michael Shermer

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#6 2009-07-29 9:05 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Chickenhawk wrote:

sounds like something resulting from all you nuts saying that we need to go back to a gold standard.

Going back to a gold standard isn't a problem.
Buying gold, who's value is largely dependent upon demand for electronic components and jewelry (both of which decline during worldwide recession) as an investment is where the potential problem is.


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#7 2009-07-29 9:18 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

The real nutcase survivalists are investing in copper.


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#8 2009-07-29 9:20 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Tallgeese wrote:

The real nutcase survivalists are investing in copper.

But only to jacket their investment in lead.  wink


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#9 2009-07-29 10:27 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

NEVER invest based on a salesman's promise.

Gold has recently broken through a level of support and is in a down trend, so I'd be looking to short the market if I wanted to take it on with some options.


Aw, he's no fun, he fell right over.

Unless you become as little children, there's no way you will believe this crap.

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#10 2009-07-30 12:42 am

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Comparing a single commodity to two enormous sectors is absurd.


Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.  Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."  They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew.

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#11 2009-07-30 12:46 am

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

I've got an enormous sector for ya.


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#12 2009-07-30 10:59 am

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

It could bust, but it would be due to speculation.  In fact, I'd be surprised to see precious metals markets destroy themselves like real estate, etc, because of the ever shrinking financial power of the almighty dollar and it's "created via debt" philosophy.

TL:DR version--it'll bust but it won't be a spectacular bust.

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#13 2009-07-30 11:47 am

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Precious shrapnel!


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#14 2009-07-30 12:38 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Meh, I rather think everything else was a bubble (stocks, treasury bills, housing prices, oil).
Gold is just a safe bet, not something you get fast earnings with though, but it's still slowly going up, with no fast movements up or down.
So now the stock goes fast up, it doesn't say much about the condition of the economy, it's a short term deal. Gold you invest in for long term gain.

Debts in the US are still going up skyhigh, so gold is still a safe haven.

The US got a big problem now with their credit card.
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/arch … FAILS.html

So better put money in gold then in dollars or in stocks.

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#15 2009-07-30 2:06 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

http://lyricwiki.org/U2:Silver_And_Gold

" Yep, silver and gold... This song was written in a hotel room in New York city 'round about the time a friend or ours, little Steven, was putting together a record of artists against apartheid. This is a song written about a man in a shanty town outside of Johannesburg. A man who's sick of looking down the barrel of white South Africa. A man who is at the point where he is ready to take up arms against his oppressor. A man who has lost faith in the peacemakers of the west while they argue and while they fail to support a man like bishop Tutu and his request for economic sanctions against South Africa.
Am I buggin' you? I don't mean to bug ya...

Okay Edge, play the blues..."


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Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
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#16 2009-07-30 2:08 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Proost wrote:

Gold is just a safe bet, not something you get fast earnings with though.

As third world countries emerge demand for gold goes up due to its use in electronic components.


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#17 2009-07-30 2:11 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

http://www.lyricsdomain.com/16/patti_sm … _eyes.html

(Smith/Ray)
It's been a while since I've seen your
face
It's been a while since I've walked this
place
I see the monkeys riding on their bikes
Racing through the impossible night

You say you're feeling like a new tree
Man they'll cut you from limb to limb
Pick your pocket with such delight
Shake it to the right
Shake it in the light

Oh can't you see the glitter
The glitter in their eyes
Oh can't you see the glitter
The glitter in their eyes

Genius stalking in new shoes
Have you got WTO blues
Dust of diamonds
Making you sneeze
Kids on rollers ready for
Running through the junkyards
Breezing through the halls
Racing through the malls
Walking through the walls
They'll strip your mind
Just for fun
Quoth the raven
Yum yum yum

Children children everywhere
Selling souls for souvenirs
They've been sold out like as not
Just for chunks of Ankgor Vat

They'll trade you up
Trade you down
Your body a commodity
Our sacred stage
Has been defaced
Replaced to grace
The marketplace
Dow is jonesing at the bit
42nd Disney Street
Ragged hearts unraveling
Look out kids
The gleam the gleam
All that glitters
Is not all that glitters
Is not all that glitters


Brigid O'Shaughnessy: I haven't lived a good life. I've been bad, worse than you could know.
Sam Spade: You know, that's good, because if you actually were as innocent as you pretend to be, we'd never get anywhere.
http://sitruc.blip.tv/file/2661495/

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#18 2009-07-30 2:43 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

resedit wrote:

Proost wrote:

Gold is just a safe bet, not something you get fast earnings with though.

As third world countries emerge demand for gold goes up due to its use in electronic components.

Edit; your analogy doesn't make sence, so you'r saying mine doesn't either?

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#19 2009-07-31 2:45 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

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#20 2009-07-31 2:46 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Hey, I heard a commercial for gold yesterday read by Glenn Beck.

sneaky


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#21 2009-07-31 3:00 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

My dad and uncle have been talking about gold going through the roof for years now because of weaknesses in the economy; its taken a hell of a long time for those weaknesses to become truely apparently, but gold is still not nearly as high as they're expecting it to go.

Good call on predicting a bubble I think. I think gold will spike in price, and as people realize this they'll jump on the bandwagon, which could easily inflate the price to more than what its worth. I've been considering buying some gold (especially because I think the US dollar is destined to tank) but I'll keep this in mind when I do.


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#22 2009-07-31 3:14 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

[Tycho?] wrote:

My dad and uncle have been talking about gold going through the roof for years now because of weaknesses in the economy; its taken a hell of a long time for those weaknesses to become truely apparently, but gold is still not nearly as high as they're expecting it to go.

Good call on predicting a bubble I think. I think gold will spike in price, and as people realize this they'll jump on the bandwagon, which could easily inflate the price to more than what its worth. I've been considering buying some gold (especially because I think the US dollar is destined to tank) but I'll keep this in mind when I do.

Only because they threw trillions in the system to keep it working and so gold didn't explode to the roof, but it doesn't needs a wise guy to figure out, that with this money thrown at, it makes things worse, eventually. The banks got richer and their money worth, if that's the economy, sure belief only things goes better from now on.

It's like the state California, schools/teachers and minors get the sack and the rich doesn't pay the price (yet), but in overall- things just gets worse.

Short term sollutions, short term gains. That's what this is. And even now with this minor recovery gold is still going up? I thought about buying gold at when it was worth 400, it's now worth 955. It was worth 400 was when the crisis begun.

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#23 2009-07-31 8:41 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

Proost wrote:

[Tycho?] wrote:

My dad and uncle have been talking about gold going through the roof for years now because of weaknesses in the economy; its taken a hell of a long time for those weaknesses to become truely apparently, but gold is still not nearly as high as they're expecting it to go.

Good call on predicting a bubble I think. I think gold will spike in price, and as people realize this they'll jump on the bandwagon, which could easily inflate the price to more than what its worth. I've been considering buying some gold (especially because I think the US dollar is destined to tank) but I'll keep this in mind when I do.

Only because they threw trillions in the system to keep it working and so gold didn't explode to the roof, but it doesn't needs a wise guy to figure out, that with this money thrown at, it makes things worse, eventually. The banks got richer and their money worth, if that's the economy, sure belief only things goes better from now on.

It's like the state California, schools/teachers and minors get the sack and the rich doesn't pay the price (yet), but in overall- things just gets worse.

Short term sollutions, short term gains. That's what this is. And even now with this minor recovery gold is still going up? I thought about buying gold at when it was worth 400, it's now worth 955. It was worth 400 was when the crisis begun.

Yeah, I know things are going to get a ton worse. The "solutions" are the same that have been tried over the past several years. Basically throw money (that the government has to borrow) at the problem. Spending money you don't have can only go so far.

I'm also hesitant to buy gold considering how far its gone up. I also don't exactly have a ton of money to throw at something like this.


I could bore you with a philosophical tirade about freedom and tyranny, or try and explain to you what new horizons are suddenly open to me, but I doubt you would understand and if you did it might frighten you.  That amuses me.

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#24 2009-07-31 8:46 pm

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

bratboy wrote:

Hey, I heard a commercial for gold yesterday read by Glenn Beck.

sneaky

Yup - Fox News is one of many places that have increased advertising for Gold and Silver.
I really suspect it may be the next investment bubble that is going to burst.


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#25 2009-08-01 8:00 am

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Re: Watch out for gold / silver bubble

resedit wrote:

bratboy wrote:

Hey, I heard a commercial for gold yesterday read by Glenn Beck.

sneaky

Yup - Fox News is one of many places that have increased advertising for Gold and Silver.
I really suspect it may be the next investment bubble that is going to burst.

It's like everything else in the world--speculators come in, seeing a quick buck.  Then there is a speculator bust a few years down the road.  BUT...precious metals have a high demand and limited supply system already (this is what makes them so darn expensive to begin with), so if/when a bust happens, there should be enough people to pick up enough pieces that it will only be seen as a "decline" as opposed to a "bust."

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