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Ahnold once said that any polls that weren't during an election year were considered "off season" polls and didn't count.

What????

If he hasn't completed ALL of his campaign promises after 100 days in office, he's a failure!!!!

Time to impeach!

Is this the Rasmussen poll supposedly uses some strange new metric and thus has no basis for comparison yet? Just curious. Genuinely.

Health care is the big issue.
There are just too many examples of inferior and flat out denied health care situations in the countries Obama and the left have pointed to as reasons why we should go universal, and people don't want it.

Your average grunt is doing just that in the ME.

resedit wrote:

sturner wrote:

Would you like to review the many examples of inferior and flat out denied health care situations in THIS country under private insurance companies?

Sure there are plenty.
I personally can not even buy insurance.

However - the vast majority of Americans have coverage and are happy with the way things are, and do not want to see their existing coverage changed.

16% of america is uninsured.

The plan proposed would not change anybody's existing coverage.

Those are facts.

Chickenhawk wrote:

resedit wrote:

sturner wrote:

Would you like to review the many examples of inferior and flat out denied health care situations in THIS country under private insurance companies?

Sure there are plenty.
I personally can not even buy insurance.

However - the vast majority of Americans have coverage and are happy with the way things are, and do not want to see their existing coverage changed.

16% of america is uninsured.

The plan proposed would not change anybody's existing coverage.

Those are facts.

The first is a fact.
The second is not.

A question I asked in another thread that kept being dodged - will those who stick with existing insurance and want to keep it be taxed to pay for those who don't?

No one wanted to answer it because the answer shows the obvious deception in the flat out lie that "The plan proposed would not change anybody's existing coverage. "

If John Q is taxed for Obama care regardless of whether or not he uses it, do you think John Q is going to be able to afford to continue his existing plan? Do you think companies are going to continue to provide it when their competition starts dropping it because the employees have Obama care anyway?

At least be honest when discussing this.
I'm not as stupid as you look.

resedit wrote:

At least be honest when discussing this.
I'm not as stupid as you look.

lol

resedit wrote:

A question I asked in another thread that kept being dodged - will those who stick with existing insurance and want to keep it be taxed to pay for those who don't?

No one wanted to answer it because the answer shows the obvious deception in the flat out lie that "The plan proposed would not change anybody's existing coverage. "

Where?

Again--you are the very last person who is justified in accusing others of "dodging" questions or avoiding subjects.  You lack any credibility on that front, because you are the worst offender.

If John Q is taxed for Obama care regardless of whether or not he uses it, do you think John Q is going to be able to afford to continue his existing plan?

I'm not convinced you actually understand what you're talking about.

I pay nothing for my insurance premiums.  There's nothing to "afford."  The tax would be on the benefit (just as many other benefits are taxed--if your employer gave that money directly to you instead, it would be taxed).  Your question makes no sense.

Do you think companies are going to continue to provide it when their competition starts dropping it because the employees have Obama care anyway?

Why not?  Why wouldn't I want a job where my premiums are covered, instead of having to pay them myself?

I like how he and others of the mindset think that the geometric increase in health costs is over and they'll be flat from now on, and that the 16% uninsured and the claims denied and coverage dropped won't continue to balloon, as well as the premiums and copays from those who still have coverage.

"The vast majority are happy now so why solve problems that are like ten whole years down the road?"

Metacell wrote:

resedit wrote:

Health care is the big issue.
There are just too many examples of inferior and flat out denied health care situations in the countries Obama and the left have pointed to as reasons why we should go universal, and people don't want it.

Uhm...people do want it.  His popularity is declining because its not even on the table.

I suspect his popularity is declining because reality has set in. He's not puff the magic Barack, and people didn't instantly get their jobs, homes, and/or savings back when he stepped in office. He's getting rump-raped by the economy, not his particular positions on issues.

The fact that he's going full-bore pushing an expensive health-care overhaul at the same time isn't helping, even though ironically the plan would probably help many of the people who have turned on him, because it appears that taxes will have to up at the time when people can least afford it. However, the root fear is still seated in the current recession.

The trick is, no one gives a crap about the future when the present sucks. Of course, most people don't care about the future when the present is OK either; which is why we have such terrible leadership.

Since the birthers are mostly in the South, I wonder what Obama's poll numbers would be if we just wrote off that entire region.