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resedit wrote:

ShnickyShnack wrote:

Ah, sorry ... I assumed the co-op would be receiving government funding.

It probably would in many states.
Just like medicare does now.
The funding would be to subsidize poor states that do not have the tax revenue to carry the burden of unemployed, precondition, and poor.

That's not single payer - that's federal welfare.

Ummm, so government funding = federal government funding.  State government funding is ok?  And federal government funding is ok if the state is poor.  Thats what you're saying, right?

resedit wrote:

And regardless of whether or not there is something wrong with single payer, the fact that Obama is using deception to ultimately achieve it is wrong.

robco wrote:

It's terribly wrong of Obama and he ought be ashamed. I mean, the next thing you know he'll be spinning "intelligence" to justify a costly, bloody war on foreign soil!

BURN!!!!!

resedit wrote:

I just saw a couple of rather damning videos.

First was pre-election Obama specifically stating that he wanted single payer system but that it would have to be done in steps.

Second was the guy largely responsible for the bill stating that they would have to ease into single payer to not upset to many people (aka social engineering ...)

Link?   

So - all this talk about nothing changing for those who like their current plans is clearly a bunch of lying bull smurf.
Obama is a liar and I'm not only regretting having voted for him, I'm smurfing embarrassed that I did.

Huh?  Is the proposed plan "single payer," or isn't it?  It won't magically become anything different later.  Or are you claiming that it's inappropriate to pursue any plan other than the one that you ultimately believe SHOULD be enacted?

Perhaps Obama does believe single payer would be best.  Others in Congress probably do, as well.  Who gives a smurf?  They're not lying to you by pursuing a different plan.  Single payer isn't politically viable at this point.  But passing a bill that's not single payer while still believing that single payer would be best isn't "a bunch of lying bullsmurf." 

These are why things like the townhouse protests are not only going to continue, but are going to grow.
Obama is a one term president. He's making statements and promises he has absolutely no intention of keeping.

I hope you kooks keep it up.

There is one (deceptively edited) video from '07 or so that's been making the rounds on the kooky blogs, not sure if that's what he's referring to or not.

More crazies:

Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA) was on the receiving end of some right-wingers disrupting a town hall meeting Monday night, the Napa Valley Register reports.

Speaking in a packed church, Thompson and other speakers were met by shouts of "This is America!" and "What's wrong with profit?" as they also tried to answer questions from supporters and critics in the audience.

The Napa Valley Register -- a conservative paper that endorsed John McCain last year -- now has a new editorial condemning the hecklers:

The display was unwelcome -- and unsuccessful if it was meant to move health care reform supporters toward considering the concerns of the critics. Several callers to the Register on Tuesday reported they were repulsed by the aggressive tactics of some members of the crowd.

To the degree the catcalls, chants and shouts were organized -- and it appears from events around the country that they were -- we strongly suggest that the organizers find more constructive ways to get their message out.

Link.

Several callers to the Register on Tuesday reported they were repulsed by the aggressive tactics of some members of the crowd.

Not surprising - Napa Valley has basically two types that settled there. Business (largely wine related but not exclusively) and liberal ex-hippies. The latter group is undoubtedly who called the Register.

So, res? Vid links?

I see we're still at the bargaining stage...

lulz

Who cares what Glenn Beck wants?

bratboy wrote:

I've been under the assumption that Obama would favor a single payer system, but I cannot remember if I've heard him claim such a thing or not.

The simple fact is, however, that his proposed plan is not single payer in any way, shape, or form.  There's no secret single payer law hidden in it.  Enacting such a plan would require the same legislative processes as the proposed plan has required.

The Daily Show had a clip of him in 2002 or 2003 I think saying he'd favor a single payer system. And I vaguely recall him talking up Canada and the UK's system during his campaign.

But Obama has said on several occasions that he's a pragmatist who recognizes the need for "compromise," and i'm not really convinced he would be die-hard about pushing through a system that wouldn't work politically. Considering how weak he's been regarding wiretapping, torture, and DADT, I have full faith that he'd also accept a weaker healthcare reform than he may want.

I can't remember his exact phrase, but I think referring to energy policy, he said "we can't have the best solution, but we can at least have something better."

Last night, Rep. Gene Green (D-TX) hosted a rowdy town hall meeting to discuss health care reform. Fox’s local Houston affiliate reporter, Duarte Geraldino, reported that he talked to the participants and found that “some attendees admit they don’t live in the district.” How did they get there? Geraldino noted “an internet campaign” by far right activists urging their allies to attend and heckle Democratic Representatives. Geraldino then aired a clip showing one participant acting disrespectfully towards Rep. Green. “Pay close attention to the man behind the congressman,” Geraldino says in this clip, “he seems to have forgotten the part about respect.”

The crowd was so disrespectful that one frustrated attendee said he had come to the town hall with the intention of giving Rep. Green “a really hard time,” but changed his mind because he was fed up with another man who was “screaming behind my head for the last hour.” The attendee continued, “This is a free country, but I think there’s a certain degree of respect” required. “I won’t be quiet! I won’t sit down! And I won’t let this happen on my watch,” responded the angry conservative activist.

During the town hall, one conservative activist turns to his fellow attendees and asks them to raise their hands if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Almost all the hands shot up. Rep Green quickly turned the question on the audience and asked, “How many of you have Medicare?” Nearly half the attendees raised their hands, failing to note the irony.

At another point, a small business owner who supported health reform asks the audience how many people in this room “do not have health insurance of some kind.” Only one hand seemed to be raised. “I think the people who are objecting,” she noted, “are the people who have insurance.”

Link.