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resedit wrote:

Because there are a lot of them, and they are locals - not like the career demonstrators that moved from town to town to town during the same tactic pulled by the left with the various anti-bush protests.

They are the people who elected the politicians, and they are not a minority.

Dude, you do realize that these so-called grass roots organizations ar busing these folks around, don't you?

What do you think those buses (with pricy graphic wraps) are for anyway??

You got a special interest group (isnurance lobby) with HUGE money doing this.

All of us who are paying $$$ to out insurance companies are unwittingly funding this circus.

From TMP regarding two meetings yesterday:

These town halls are really getting out of hand, as we saw last night in two examples.

In Missouri, at a town hall by Rep. Russ Carnahan, a fight broke out between Tea Party activists and supporters of the health care bill. Six people were arrested. It's not at all clear who started it and both sides appear to be blaming the other. To a certain degree, this is probably a consequence of so many people being packed together in a contentious debate, where the venues have been filled to capacity and people have been turned away as a result.

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And of course, there's the Florida event of Rep. Kathy Castor, where a fist fight reportedly occurred.

One thing that should be noted, despite the right-wing chants of "You work for us," and "Hear our voice," is that both of these districts are overall heavily Democratic. Carnahan's district voted 60% for Obama, and Castor's district voted 66% for Obama

Link.

resedit wrote:

Ah - so if you oppose Obama Care, you can't be a democrat, and if you are not a democrat, they don't work for you and don't need to listen to you.

You may not be aware of this, but there ARE democrats opposed to Obama Care. They are typically moderate democrats, but there's a good number of them.

You were the one throwing around the word "majority," not me.  In a heavily democratic district, those opposed to health care reform are quite likely in the minority.

The violence should not happen. However, the voices of those opposed to Obama Care needs to be heard.
And yes, the politicians do work for us, and they need to hear our voice, regardless of our party affiliation.

So you support these disruptions, the very same you condemned a day or two ago. 

Is this your final answer?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/05/ … care.poll/

Fifty percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Wednesday morning say they support the president's plans, with 45 percent opposed.

The results indicate a generational divide.

"Obama's plan is most popular among younger Americans and least popular among senior citizens," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "A majority of Americans over the age of 50 oppose Obama's plan; a majority of those under 50 support it."

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The poll indicates that only three in 10 of all Americans think the president's health care proposals will help their families. Another 44 percent feel they won't benefit but that other families will be helped by the president's plans, and one in five say no one will be helped.

"Less than a quarter of Americans with private health insurance think that Obama's proposals would help them personally. Most people on Medicare and Medicaid also don't think that the Obama plan will help them," Holland said.

Also on the rasmussen page -

The president recently acknowledged that while the plan won’t force Americans to change doctors, such a change might be an unintended consequence of the proposed government-run health insurance plan.

That's what people, Republican and Democrat, are afraid of.

If their provider won't accept the plan, that will be a consequence yes. Then again, if your company changes plans - without your input or consent - your provider may not accept the new insurance. Or if you change jobs, or lose your job.

resedit wrote:

Another thing to note, those are southern democrats, right?

Southern democrats are a lot more likely to be pro-life, and numerous pro-life democrats have stated they will refuse to support the plan if it covers abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat5265.html

They don't want their tax dollars paying for what they consider to be murder.

So what do they do when their private insurance plan supports abortion? Refuse to pay?

resedit wrote:

Another thing to note, those are southern democrats, right?

Southern democrats are a lot more likely to be pro-life, and numerous pro-life democrats have stated they will refuse to support the plan if it covers abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat5265.html

They don't want their tax dollars paying for what they consider to be murder.

What do you mean, "those?"  These meetings are happening everywhere.

Many plans do cover abortion. Most people never ask about that specifically because those who get their insurance through their company don't really have a choice do they.

There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.

Echos of the angry right activists yelling for government to keep their hands off Medicare.

Oh, remember how our country is on the brink of becoming Nazi Germany?

Earlier this week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) came under heavy criticism from the right wing for her dismissal of the town hall tea parties as nothing but “Astroturf.” She also noted the disturbing fact that participants have been “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.”

The conservative site Wizbang called her claim a “crock.” Rush Limbaugh said that Pelosi was “deranged” and accused her of calling conservatives “Nazis.” He then, however, went on to note the similarities between Democrats and Nazis:

   

The Speaker of the House accusing people showing up at these town hall meetings of wearing Swastikas — that is not insignificant folks. This woman is deranged. They are unraveling. But that is not insignificant. You have the Democrat Speaker of the House saying that people — citizens — who are concerned about health care are now wearing Swastikas. She’s basically saying that we are Nazis. She is saying that the people who oppose this are Nazis. [...]

    This party, the Democrat Party, and where it’s taken this country — the radical left leadership of this party — bears much more resemblance to Nazi policies than anything we on the right believe in at all.

Pelosi did not seem to be calling conservative protesters Nazis, but rather calling attention to the disturbing number of Nazi references at these tea party protests.

The intent of these displays is to portray Obama as Hitler and his proposals as fascist, and they seem to be following the lead of many right-wing pundits. Just yesterday, Limbaugh said, “Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate.” Fox News host Glenn Beck — an inspiration for many of these town hall attendees — has said “fascism is on the rise.” Even Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) has talked about the increasing danger in America of “true fascism.”

This August recess isn’t the first time we’ve seen these displays at tea parties either. Signs comparing Obama to Hitler or other global dictators were prominent at the tea parties a few months ago as well.

Link.

Our country is wonderful, until the other party gets elected, at which point we're little better than Nazi Germany.

Earlier this week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) came under heavy criticism from the right wing for her dismissal of the town hall tea parties as nothing but “Astroturf.” She also noted the disturbing fact that participants have been “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.”

OK - I'm calling your ass on that one.

What town meetings did this occur at. Can you even name them? If it even happened and she isn't lying through her teeth, it is extremely rare. What do you want us to do, shoot anyone who happens to show up with a swastika?
Yet the Democrats during the Bush administration loved to depict Bush as Hitler. It happened with high frequency.

Seems to me it is the Dems who have the real nazi fixation.

Res, are you suggesting that the calculated MISINFORMATION (and it IS misinformation) being puked out 24/7 by FOX, NewsCorp and the radio blowhards isn't having an effect on poll numbers?

I mean if you have people like your boy Beck saying the the government is gonna kill granny, you seriously don't think that scares people?

You seriously think that is responsible?