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"This president I think has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture, I don't know what it is..."

"I'm not saying that he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem . . . this guy I believe is a racist."

So he's exposed himself, "over and over," as someone who "hates white people" or "hates white culture."  But he's not saying that he "doesn't like white people" (then why suggest it?), only that he's a racist.

Also our health system is a death trap when you're on CNN, and the best in the world when you start working at Fox.

resedit wrote:

As far as CNN vs Fox - I can't comment on that, people change positions and I don't know the context of the CNN statement - but the "hate" comment, he specifically said he didn't know.

He prefaced it with "I think."  What does he "think," that he 'doesn't know' the answer?

What if I said this, in regards to the fact that your mind immediately jumps to envisioning sex acts when you read the word "teabag" or "teabagging" or "teabagger":

Resedit I think has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated obsession with teabagging or being teabagged, I don't know what it is.

Is that a defensible statement?  I said that "I don't know."  Clearly I'm not sure exactly what it is--just offering a few innocent suggestions.  I can't be held accountable for suggesting what might be the case! 

Leftists here constantly claim that various republicans and the right in general is racist, it's happened several times in the last few days. You tolerate that.

So are you agreeing with those assessments, or claiming that they're unassailable? 

Glenn beck throws out a statement offering possible explanations for past Obama actions, specifically in context of Jeremiah Wright who's statements are very easily mis-interpreted as being anti-white but specifically says he doesn't know, and he's evil.

It's a pretty outrageous accusation to make, yeah. 

I get the message loud and clear - use of the race card is restricted to the left and the right better not even come close to using the race card.

He was using "the race card?"  If so, is that defensible?  Is "using the race card" a good thing?

Last edited by bratboy (2009-08-15 1:07 pm)

resedit wrote:

As far as CNN vs Fox - I can't comment on that, people change positions and I don't know the context of the CNN statement - but the "hate" comment, he specifically said he didn't know.

Saying "you don't know" after an inflammatory statement is boilerplate cop-out.

He knows his audience won't hear that part, and he doesn't really want them to. Not to mention, it provides safe harbor for the racists that do actually watch his show and take his statements to heart. It's clear from your tip-toeing that you see this, but for some reason you don't want to acknowledge it.

resedit wrote:

Obama was largely raised overseas, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the WASP culture here is something he really is not fond of.

He's lived the vast majority of his life in America.  Even if he hadn't, what makes you think living overseas leads to hatred of white culture?

mo' ron wrote:

jeremiah256 wrote:

resedit wrote:

Obama was largely raised overseas, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the WASP culture here is something he really is not fond of.

He's lived the vast majority of his life in America.  Even if he hadn't, what makes you think living overseas leads to hatred of white culture?

Not to mention that his mother was white, and he was raised by his white grandmother, who sent him to a predominantly white private school.

If he hates white culture, the he must hate himself, because he is partially a produce of "white culture" (whatever that really means).

I should be an asset that someone lived in a foreign land.  Many of our forefathers wouldn't pass the 'no hanging with foreigners' fake concern some of our fellow citizens seem to have.

Doesn't  ShnickyShnack gets touchy with colour? (just deep inside), maybe not that much different than with Obama. Not that he is a racist but it's just a touchy subject.

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resedit wrote:

Proost wrote:

Doesn't  ShnickyShnack gets touchy with colour? (just deep inside), maybe not that much different than with Obama. Not that he is a racist but it's just a touchy subject.

It is a touchy subject - but that doesn't stop numerous people here from continually accusing the right and GOP of being generally racist despite the fact that there are many black members of the GOP, including with significant positions of power.

Do they hate themselves?

I never myself get on the left or right side, or the black or white side either (even though my opinion could be placed in any of those). I just dislike to make boxes where you can put people, or whole groups in, which makes you blind basicly.

Also  (as example) when you believe in god, you get allot of resistance, so people feel kinda ashamed to believe, maybe being black, got some similar feeling, that you think or believe, that people judge you on your colour, even when not true.

I dunno if they hate themselves, I do think it's more present, but just not always the case. For Obama, I'm not sure really.

Last edited by Proost (2009-08-15 2:27 pm)

resedit wrote:

I don't deny that you are more likely to find a white guy who is racist against blacks in the republican party than in the democrat party.
I'm not convinced you are more likely to find racists in the republican party than the democrat party.

Like it or not, being minority does not preclude one from being racist.

That's true.

resedit wrote:

It's not outrageous.
The reason Obama gave for leaving that Church was Jeremiah Wrights position. I think Obama just caved, but for the rest of the world - it's confirmation that Wright said racist things.

Unfortunately for Obama - statements like the "God damn America" that he left the Church over were demonstrated to not be new, but something that Wright did fairly often for years and years and years. And that does make people wonder why he stayed at that church for so long.

All of this is wholly irrelevant to Beck stating that "he thinks" the President either hates white people or white culture and is a "racist." 

Beck through out some possibilities and said he didn't know. That was not accusing him of hating white people.

He prefaced it with "I think."  There was no "maybe," there was no "it's possible."  The "I don't know" tacked on at the end (and the inflection of his voice) makes it abundantly clear that he believes (or "think") one or both of those things are true, if not something very similar.  This is further demonstrated by him calling Obama a racist. 

The English language is more complex than some but it really isn't that hard to understand. Beck said he didn't know. The two ideas he threw out were that Obama hates white people or white culture, and to be honest - I would not be surprised if there was truth to the latter, though hate probably would be an exaggeration.

Once again, you've careened off into bizarro land.  The phrase "I don't know" does NOT suggest that the speaker has no opinion of the suggestion raised, or that he disavows its legitimacy.  This is like suggesting that "I don't know if Obama was born in America" is a neutral assertion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go

Res, how the hell can you even ARGUE about this.  Look, one of your talking point provider, nay, heroes, has revealed himself for what he is.  It is clear as smurfing day, and you try getting down into the minutiae of the English language (another topic for which I am 100% you are not qualified to in intelligentlydebate).

It would probably be far more therapeutic for you to just admit it, come to grips with it, and (if you disagree with his statement) to move on.

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

It is a touchy subject - but that doesn't stop numerous people here from continually accusing the right and GOP of being generally racist despite the fact that there are many black members of the GOP, including with significant positions of power.

Do they hate themselves?

You still have yet to figure out that you do your argument no favors by pointing to someone else's supposedly negative behavior and saying "look, you did it too!"

Uh... isn't that the entirety of Res' argument on every subject?

KHannon wrote:

bratboy wrote:

resedit wrote:

It is a touchy subject - but that doesn't stop numerous people here from continually accusing the right and GOP of being generally racist despite the fact that there are many black members of the GOP, including with significant positions of power.

Do they hate themselves?

You still have yet to figure out that you do your argument no favors by pointing to someone else's supposedly negative behavior and saying "look, you did it too!"

Uh... isn't that the entirety of Res' argument on every subject?

Hey genius - I was showing the lunacy of the "Obama must hate himself" argument a few posts back.

Not to mention I already made my case.
Glenn Beck's full statement clearly state's he doesn't know.
Thus it is a lie to claim Glenn said Obama hate's white.

That is NOT what Glenn said. He offered it as a possible explanation for Obama's behavior but specifically made it very clear that he did not know.

Last edited by resedit (2009-08-15 3:21 pm)

resedit wrote:

Not to mention I already made my case.
Glenn Beck's full statement clearly state's he doesn't know.

Thus it is a lie to claim Glenn said Obama hate's white.

Oh, it was clear.  ""This president I think has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture, I don't know what it is..."

"I think."  "Deep-seated hatred for white people or white culture."  He thinks Obama has demonstrated "over and over and over again" that he has a "deep-seated hatred" for either "white people or white culture."  Crystal clear.

He then goes on to unequivocally call Obama a "racist."