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#1 2009-08-17 11:46 pm
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Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
The floodgates crack open, UK first.
Asda leads the charge with £250 offer for 80GB machine and two games in-store
Ahead of the anticipated PS3 price cut (and/or the possible unveiling of a PS3 Slim) announcement at Sony’s Gamescom conference tomorrow, the discounting of PS3 hardware on the UK High Street has begun thanks to national supermarket Asda.
As of today the retailer is offering what is described as a ‘limited promotion’ on 80GB machines, which offers the hardware plus two games for just £250 – that’s £50 less than the current UK RRP.
The store contacted by MCV was offering a bundle including recent game Terminator: Salvation and inFamous, though others are claiming that a number of mix-and-match titles are available as part of the promotion including Ghostbusters, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone 2 and Resistance 2.
Whether this is a discount in-line with Sony’s announcement tomorrow or an effort to clear stock ahead of the possible release of the PS3 Slim is yet to be seen.
MCV will be covering Sony’s Gamescom briefing as it happens – make sure you’re here from 18:00 tomorrow night.
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http://www.mcvuk.com/news/35420/PS3-price-drops-begin
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#2 2009-08-17 11:50 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Another bit found:
According to the document we just received, Sony has an unannounced PS3 product that is to be revealed during the Sony GamesCom Press Conference tomorrow.
The conference which is to be presented by Kaz Hirai and Andrew House, lists the following during the presentation:
2 x PlayStation 3 TOOL
1 x PlayStation 3 (Unannounced Product / Discretion advised by Client)
2 x PSPGo!
1 x White
1 x Black
2 x PlayStation EYE Camera (NOTE: Is not a Video Camera for recording Presentation, no fee required)
Since the unannounced PS3 is listed with the rest of the hardware, it’s suggesting that it’s some type of new PS3 SKU. Then again, this was sent in as by a tipster so we cannot confirm the validity of the document especially when the document has the incorrect date of 18/09/2009. However the tipster mentions that this is “100% legit” from a GamesCom employee.
We will find out tomorrow, stay tuned to PlayStation LifeStyle for our GamesCom coverage.
Sony GamesCom Document Reveals New PS3
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#3 2009-08-18 1:20 am
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#4 2009-08-19 8:35 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
As expected, Sony officially announced the PS3 Slim at Gamescom today. Sporting a matte black finish and 120GB HDD, Sony says the PS3 Slim is 36% lighter, 32% smaller and consumes 34% less power than the current PS3. The Slim will ship Sept 1st with a $299 price tag. In addition, as of today existing 80GB PS3 consoles will also be sold for $299.
Sony also announced their next major system update, version 3.0, will feature a new XMB that's been designed to be easier to use. Other new features include:
“What’s New” – The “Information Board” will be replaced with a “What’s New” section, which allows you to enjoy interactive PlayStation news every time you start the PS3 system. Located under the PlayStation Network icon, “What’s New” displays the latest and greatest game, video, PlayStation Network and PlayStation news and releases, as well as your recently played games, in a sleek, new animated format.
Status Indicator – In the top right corner we’ve added an indicator bar, which displays your user icon, friend icon, the number of friends you have online and a small message icon to let you know if you have any new messages. The indicator also includes a scrolling ticker that features the latest news from PlayStation Network. In addition, when you press the PS button, the battery life indicator will no longer cover up the clock.
Friends List – Now your PlayStation Network friends will appear in a slightly redesigned format on your Friends List. Also, messages will now be viewable from each of your friends’ respective profiles.
PlayStation Store Shortcuts – We’ve added a handy shortcut icon to the PlayStation Store under both the Game and Video categories so you can access the latest content quickly and easily.
Personalization – Personalize your PS3 with new dynamic custom themes and avatars. Dynamic themes as well as free and premium avatars will be available through PlayStation Store. A dynamic theme takes your screen to a whole new level as it incorporates animated objects into the background.
Trophies – Showcasing your hard earned trophies just got better. Update 3.00 gives game developers the ability to modify how they display trophies for add-on content. Base and add-on game trophies will continue to be combined into a single list so you can see where you stand in a game as a whole. Within that list, trophies will be broken out into subcategories—base trophies and add-on trophies—that way, you can easily view the percentage of your base game trophy collection, and separately track your trophy progress in add-on packs. Look for this enhancement to be included in upcoming games.
An official release date for the 3.0 update wasn't given, Sony just says it's coming "soon". A video overview of the 3.0 update can be found here on the Playstation Blog.
Pichas. http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsart … chid=22038
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#5 2009-08-19 8:42 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Downside here, contrary to hopes.
PS3 Slim lacks Linux support, PS2 backward-compatibility
Kotaku reports that Sony's PS3 Slim no longer offers official Linux support, or support for any other OS for that matter. One of the neat features of older PS3 consoles was that you could install Linux distros like Yellow Dog Linux on the system hard drive, allowing you to essentially convert your PS3 game console into a mini computer. Simply launch the XMB and select "Other OS".
With the Slim this feature is apparently removed.
The Slim also lacks support for PS2 games. Sony says the PS3 library has matured to the point where consumers no longer need PS2 backward compatibility, instead they're purchasing the console to play PS3 titles: "there are so many PS3 disc-based games that are available that we think — and noticed this from our research — that most consumers that are purchasing the PS3 cite PS3 games as a primary [reason]".
"And it's not just like 50 or 60 percent. It's well into the 80 or 90 percentile range who are purchasing it for PS3 [games]. We do know that there are next gen consumers wanting to come over the the PS3. Most of those are consumers who have not utilized their PS2 for a little while and they're ready to jump into the PlayStation 3."
Linux gone now too? Vaio sales hurting? http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsart … chid=22042
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#6 2009-08-19 9:59 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only real difference between the PS3 Phat and Slim now just that the Slim ships with a bigger drive and can't play PS2 games, whereas the Phat can, and just has a smaller drive? Why would they drop the price on both the models?
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#7 2009-08-19 10:27 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
USS Promethius wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only real difference between the PS3 Phat and Slim now just that the Slim ships with a bigger drive and can't play PS2 games, whereas the Phat can, and just has a smaller drive? Why would they drop the price on both the models?
I'll try to get back to this soon, but last first, they're clearing inventory, so Phats are less now until they're gone. I expect the Phat is out of production.
Linux can go on it, but apparently not the new Slim. Perhaps Sony felt too many were making cheap computers from PS3s- console, compy, BD player in one.
Some were hoping backwards compat would improve with this model, but instead even the software emulation ist kaput now.
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#8 2009-08-19 11:33 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Hmmm, tempting. I would like to play Valkyria Chronicles, have enjoyed the anime so far of it. Plus it has a lot of Skies of Arcadia toons reused in it. Heck half the entire main character cast from SoA has appeared already in Valk.
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#9 2009-08-19 11:43 pm
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Zomg, just did pass by my old SoA stomping ground forums to see if they still exist. Found reference to a possible port of it along with a sequel to PS3/Wii coming soon. Likely more info in Oct from Tokyo game show they said. Wow if this is true...*ponders talking sis into buying their old PS3 off them* 
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#10 2009-08-20 12:48 am
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Double checking on Wikipedia, they had hardware PS2 emulation on the first generation, software emulation on the second generation, and no PS2 emulation what so ever on the third generation, which was the one just before the slim. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3) Not allowing a third party OS is new, and kind of sucks, but I wouldn't do so if I were to get one myself.
Playing PS2 games would certainly be nice, since it reduces clutter of keeping a PS2 hooked up. I wonder if they will add support again later whenever they decide to discontinue the PS2.
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#11 2009-08-20 4:44 am
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Something like that, tho I seem to remember subvariants. Anyway, this's a weird one...
WHEN SONY'S SLIM PS3 hits the shops next month it will come with the latest Cell chip.
The new, smaller gaming console will carry an upgraded version of the Cell microprocessor jointly developed by IBM, Sony and Toshiba.
According to Big Blue, it is fabbed using a 45nm manufacturing process. It will still use IBM's Power CPU architecture but will be faster while drawing less power than earlier chips.
The earlier PS3 console carried a Cell processor manufactured using the 65nm process. Sadly IBM declined to say what the clock speed of the new Cell processor will be.
The smaller chips cost less to produce, which contributed to Sony's decision to cut the console's price to $299. A Sony executive said the advanced manufacturing process was a factor in driving the console's price down.
Earlier consoles carried the RSX GPU developed jointly by Nvidia and Sony. The graphics core in the PS3 Slim has to be compatible with the RSX GPUs so existing games for the PS3 can run on the new console.
More details on the PS3 Slim are available here. µ
Ok, less power yada yada... but a faster CPU? What happened to a single spec, years of potential left blah blah? Will games dev'ed to the old spec have fewer particles, or will it get into more serious territory?
A 'new, faster PS3' sounds almost desperate, in a way. Trouble could happen, tho they must've considered that. Maybe a new SDK is coming with suggested dos and don'ts... This is increasingly looking like the most troubled console design in memory.
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#13 2009-08-20 10:21 am
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
akb825 wrote:
I wonder if they will add support again later whenever they decide to discontinue the PS2.
I think Sony will offer PS2 games on the PSN when that happens.
Bat wrote:
Ok, less power yada yada... but a faster CPU? What happened to a single spec, years of potential left blah blah? Will games dev'ed to the old spec have fewer particles, or will it get into more serious territory?
A 'new, faster PS3' sounds almost desperate, in a way. Trouble could happen, tho they must've considered that. Maybe a new SDK is coming with suggested dos and don'ts... This is increasingly looking like the most troubled console design in memory.
This isn't the first time that Sony has increased the specs on a console of theirs. The PSP Slim doubled the amount of onboard memory (32 MB to 64 MB) and a CPU speed increase (266 MHz to 333 MHz). New games can take advantage of the increased memory/speed to increase graphics complexity or FPS, and old games can use the extra memory as cache for the UMD.
I guess we'll find out whether the PS3 Slim's CPU is actually faster when it comes out and someone cracks it open.
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#14 2009-08-20 3:01 pm
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#15 2009-08-20 4:35 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
NightCougar_37 wrote:
That a new GPU also?
Nope, only the CPU is different. The shift to a 45nm Cell is what makes the Slim practical- less power & heat, smaller cooler.
And nobody has actually said the Slim's Cell will be clocked higher. It could be, but no clockspeeds have been spec'ed.
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akb825 wrote:
I wonder if they will add support again later whenever they decide to discontinue the PS2.
I think Sony will offer PS2 games on the PSN when that happens.
Someone from Sony said that backwards compat isn't coming back. Right now, this pushes sales of PS3 games and PS2s, for those who still want that. Mostly win for Sony... ditching Linux capability seems to show what's on their minds, and it isn't generosity.
Will Slims play PS2 games from whatever source? They won't play them from discs... maybe a future firmware update will enable PSN-DL'ed games to work as now, but no disc games.
This isn't the first time that Sony has increased the specs on a console of theirs. The PSP Slim doubled the amount of onboard memory (32 MB to 64 MB) and a CPU speed increase (266 MHz to 333 MHz). New games can take advantage of the increased memory/speed to increase graphics complexity or FPS, and old games can use the extra memory as cache for the UMD.
Yeah, handhelds don't occupy much space in my conceptions of gaming. I recall now the 360 added internal Flash awhile back, I think on the Arcade, and there were aftermarket CPUs for Xbox 1 that helped keep average framerates up. Still kinda shoots the idea for a single target hardware spec. Consoles gettin' PCish?
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#16 2009-08-20 5:53 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Bat wrote:
but no disc games.
Is this more to do with the Blu-Ray drive in the Slim not being able to read regular DVDs? If so, what would stop Sony from a drive and firmware update to play PS/PS2 games?
I mean, besides having their collective head up their arse and greed.
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#17 2009-08-20 7:04 pm
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I think line two nails it. The drive should be fine for everything back thru CDs, I expect.
Edit: digital distribution = wave of the future, too.
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#18 2009-08-21 4:19 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
USS Promethius wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the only real difference between the PS3 Phat and Slim now just that the Slim ships with a bigger drive and can't play PS2 games, whereas the Phat can, and just has a smaller drive? Why would they drop the price on both the models?
The Slim consumes less power and produces less heat due to the use of a 45nm - instead of a 65nm cellproc.
The lack of backward compatability isnt really an issue for me, if Id ever get a PS3, I have a PS2 of the large model.
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#19 2009-08-21 8:23 pm
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Well, so do I, and I may just get a PS2 Slim, but it would help to lessen clutter if I only had one console to handle all my Playstation games.
Or I may try to find a PS3 that can still emulate. Is hardware or software based emulation better?
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#20 2009-08-21 9:35 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Booksley wrote:
This isn't the first time that Sony has increased the specs on a console of theirs. The PSP Slim doubled the amount of onboard memory (32 MB to 64 MB) and a CPU speed increase (266 MHz to 333 MHz). New games can take advantage of the increased memory/speed to increase graphics complexity or FPS, and old games can use the extra memory as cache for the UMD.
The PSP's CPU was always 333MHz, and that's the speed cited in specifications. Sony capped it at 266MHz in firmware, but users with hacked firmwares could always run theirs at 333MHz. The UMD cache decreased loading times, but developers are still limited to 32MB --again, except for homebrew apps running a hacked firmware.
EDIT: Firmware 3.5 unlocked 333MHz for all PSP models (officially).
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#21 2009-08-22 12:56 am
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
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Well, so do I, and I may just get a PS2 Slim, but it would help to lessen clutter if I only had one console to handle all my Playstation games.
Or I may try to find a PS3 that can still emulate. Is hardware or software based emulation better?
Hardware. IIRC the earliest PS3s essentially incorporated a PS2; the GS at very least, but I think Emotion Engine(?) too. A used early machine would be best- smaller HDD, but you can upgrade later, I think.
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#22 2009-08-22 5:40 am
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Didn't the PS2 Slim also drop the other OS install feature because you couldn't stick a HD in it?
I've thought about picking up a PS3 at the store just to have a Blu-Ray DVD reader if I can find a smaller HD TV (still don't want/can't shell out the money for a decent sized HD screen, but I have been playing H3 on a 32" fuzzy old CRT set and know that I'm missing out on a lot of the image).
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#23 2009-08-22 10:28 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
Not familiar enough with the PS2 Slim to address that one.
As for the display issue, have you considered the VGA/HDMI options? Resolution support is pretty good these days, and I've found acceptable settings on my old Dell panel despite lack of gamma adjustment on either end, even on H2. H3 and Gears look that much better. And if you don't have DRMed content, an HDMI-> DVI converter should work with a later, digital-out model.
(That reminds me, I've been forgetting Gears PC, had it since Xmas '07. Must get newer box finished).
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#24 2009-08-22 11:14 pm
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Re: Sony announces PS3 Slim, 3.0 firmware update
More from Engadget.
If you've been on the fence with that new console purchase then maybe this bit of information will push you over. Not only is the $299 PS3 Slim a skinnier version than its fat bro, it also features a new upgraded Cell processor (jointly developed by IBM, Toshiba, and Sony), according to an IBM spokesman, that uses smaller, more efficient, and less costly 45-nm processes first hinted at back in February of 2008. IBM doesn't specify the clock speed. The 45-nm Cell is 34 percent smaller and requires 40% less power than the original 65-nm processor according to earlier accounts. Any changes to the graphics in the PS3 Slim are still unknown -- the GPU is simply listed as the NVIDIA RSX like the ol' chubster before it. Nevertheless, the IDG New Service says the PS3 Slim "adds hardware enhancements that make it speedier."
What's odd is that Sony didn't make any claims of the PS3 slim being faster at launch and the "boost" in processing speed in the IDG article quoting IBM doesn't seem to come from the IBM spokesman. As such, we're not sure if this is just an improvement in performance-per-watt or something the gamer will actually notice during play. We're still working on the review but rest assured, that's one question we're determined to answer.
PS3 Slim is cheaper, yes, and new Cell processor makes it faster, maybe
Slowly, ever so slowly we're beginning to learn about the internal differences between Sony's new PS3 Slim and its chubby ancestry. We already knew that it supported BraviaLink while talk of "faster gaming" was introduced (suspiciously) yesterday; something that remains very much in doubt until we can confirm. Now we hear that the fatboy gone slim supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstream output to your receiver. Hear that audio nerds? Bitstream. See the HDMI chip on previous generations of the PS3 didn't support bitstream output of the new(ish) high def codecs like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. As such, the PS3 had to decode it internally before sending it over to your receiver via LPCM. A process that could garble the lossless audio depending on your setup. Even though the vast majority of people will never notice the difference (or even care), PS3 Slim owners can still kick back in smug satisfaction each time the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA indicators light-up on their receivers.
PS3 Slim bits[t]reams Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio, at last
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I doubt they would make the new one faster. That destroys some of the guarantees that are made that if you buy a game, it will work on your console and be playable, which is one major draw for consoles. However, it's not impossible. The N64 had the expansion pack, which was optional for some games, required for others. However, that was an upgrade you could buy for any N64...
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