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#1 2009-09-13 7:49 pm
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Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/us/13water.html?_r=1
Jennifer Hall-Massey knows not to drink the tap water in her home near Charleston, W.Va.
In fact, her entire family tries to avoid any contact with the water. Her youngest son has scabs on his arms, legs and chest where the bathwater — polluted with lead, nickel and other heavy metals — caused painful rashes. Many of his brother’s teeth were capped to replace enamel that was eaten away.
Neighbors apply special lotions after showering because their skin burns. Tests show that their tap water contains arsenic, barium, lead, manganese and other chemicals at concentrations federal regulators say could contribute to cancer and damage the kidneys and nervous system.
“How can we get digital cable and Internet in our homes, but not clean water?” said Mrs. Hall-Massey, a senior accountant at one of the state’s largest banks.
She and her husband, Charles, do not live in some remote corner of Appalachia. Charleston, the state capital, is less than 17 miles from her home.
“How is this still happening today?” she asked.
When Mrs. Hall-Massey and 264 neighbors sued nine nearby coal companies, accusing them of putting dangerous waste into local water supplies, their lawyer did not have to look far for evidence. As required by state law, some of the companies had disclosed in reports to regulators that they were pumping into the ground illegal concentrations of chemicals — the same pollutants that flowed from residents’ taps.
But state regulators never fined or punished those companies for breaking those pollution laws.
This pattern is not limited to West Virginia. Almost four decades ago, Congress passed the Clean Water Act to force polluters to disclose the toxins they dump into waterways and to give regulators the power to fine or jail offenders. States have passed pollution statutes of their own. But in recent years, violations of the Clean Water Act have risen steadily across the nation, an extensive review of water pollution records by The New York Times found.
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“I met our inspector at the spill site, and we had this really awkward conversation,” Mr. Crum recalled. “I said we should shut down the mine until everything was cleaned up. The inspector agreed, but he said if he issued that order, he was scared of getting demoted or transferred to the middle of nowhere. Everyone was terrified of doing their job.”
Mr. Crum temporarily shut the mine.
In the next two years, he shut many polluting mines until they changed their ways. His tough approach raised his profile around the state.
Mining companies, worried about attracting Mr. Crum’s attention, began improving their waste disposal practices, executives from that period said. But they also began complaining to their friends in the state’s legislature, they recalled in interviews, and started a whisper campaign accusing Mr. Crum of vendettas against particular companies — though those same executives now admit they had no evidence for those claims.
In 2003, a new director, Stephanie Timmermeyer, was nominated to run the Department of Environmental Protection. One of West Virginia’s most powerful state lawmakers, Eustace Frederick, said she would be confirmed, but only if she agreed to fire Mr. Crum, according to several people who said they witnessed the conversation.
She was given the job and soon summoned Mr. Crum to her office. He was dismissed two weeks after his second child’s birth.
Ms. Timmermeyer, who resigned in 2008, did not return calls. Mr. Frederick died last year.
Since then, hundreds of workplaces in West Virginia have violated pollution laws without paying fines. A half-dozen current and former employees, in interviews, said their enforcement efforts had been undermined by bureaucratic disorganization, a departmental preference to let polluters escape punishment if they promise to try harder, and a revolving door of regulators who leave for higher-paying jobs at the companies they once policed.
“We are outmanned and overwhelmed, and that’s exactly how industry wants us,” said one employee who requested anonymity for fear of being fired. “It’s been obvious for decades that we’re not on top of things, and coal companies have earned billions relying on that.”
In June, four environmental groups petitioned the E.P.A. to take over much of West Virginia’s handling of the Clean Water Act, citing a “nearly complete breakdown” in the state. The E.P.A. has asked state officials to respond and said it is investigating the petition.
Finally, an issue that we can legitimately be angry at. Apparently, our water isn't as clean as it used to be, and a lot of the gains we made in the '70's are slowly being rolled back. True, this story is about West Virginia, and mining companies practically are the economy, but still. It makes you wonder.
This a long story, and I don't want to quote it all, but the bottom line is that business is back in charge in a lot of places.
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#2 2009-09-13 7:56 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
radarman wrote:
the bottom line is that business is back in charge in a lot of places.
Yep.
Of course the only people who have a problem with this are communists.
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#3 2009-09-13 8:02 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
I honestly wonder if some, uh, historic educational issues in places like West Virginia or the Ozarks are due in part to mercury and lead in the water.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#4 2009-09-13 8:55 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
From dumping of tailings and such into the water sources? Could be.
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#5 2009-09-13 9:03 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
Enforcement lapses were particularly bad under the administration of President George W. Bush, employees say. “For the last eight years, my hands have been tied,” said one E.P.A. official who requested anonymity for fear of retribution. “We were told to take our clean water and clean air cases, put them in a box, and lock it shut. Everyone knew polluters were getting away with murder. But these polluters are some of the biggest campaign contributors in town, so no one really cared if they were dumping poisons into streams.”
The Obama administration needs to correct course. Unfortunately, they haven't yet done so.
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#6 2009-09-13 9:20 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
sturner wrote:
From dumping of tailings and such into the water sources? Could be.
Well, mining and mineral extraction is very water-intensive but also just the opening of the earth into a lot of galena or cinnabar veins encourages the metals to leech into the groundwater.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#7 2009-09-13 11:19 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
jerwin wrote:
Enforcement lapses were particularly bad under the administration of President George W. Bush, employees say. “For the last eight years, my hands have been tied,” said one E.P.A. official who requested anonymity for fear of retribution. “We were told to take our clean water and clean air cases, put them in a box, and lock it shut. Everyone knew polluters were getting away with murder. But these polluters are some of the biggest campaign contributors in town, so no one really cared if they were dumping poisons into streams.”
The Obama administration needs to correct course. Unfortunately, they haven't yet done so.
Major industry is allowed to literally dump poison in the drinking water, making them responsible for maiming and killing citizens and they aren't even fined. If someone steals my TV they'll be hurt worse than CEOs who actually kill people.
And then conservatards shriek and whine and rend their garments, calling a progressive tax plan "class warfare".
smurf Republicans. smurf them sideways.
I still believe in liberalism today as much as I ever did, but, oh, there was a happy time when I believed in liberals.
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#8 2009-09-13 11:38 pm
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If dumping toxic chemicals into the environment is good for business, shouldn't we allow it? Why do these people expect the government to help them?
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#9 2009-09-14 8:06 am
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
There shouldn't be a public option for drinking water, anyway.
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#10 2009-09-14 8:54 am
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
Over here we call people often silly when buying bottled water since the quality from tap water in your home is just as good, if not better.
Another reason to quit this war..
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#11 2009-09-14 9:01 am
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
W. virginny eh?
i'll just get me a good chaw o' tobacky and some 'shine and think about these dealings.
my check IS in the mail isn't it?
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big holes in the earth really should be monitored tho.
and plugged up when things are not natural.
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#12 2009-09-14 9:24 am
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
Our colloquium 2 weeks ago was regarding EIS for a new phosphorus mine nearby. It was quite clear that the st. gov't here has been pretty strict on the disposal of spoils for at least the past 20 years. Its pretty shocking, but not surprising that the west virginian coal mines get away with this. WV is the only state I've ever been in that you can be driving on the interstate and see mountains with the tops cut off them.
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#13 2009-09-14 11:33 am
Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
robco wrote:
If dumping toxic chemicals into the environment is good for business, shouldn't we allow it? Why do these people expect the government to help them?
It's not good for business.
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#14 2009-09-14 12:29 pm
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Re: Water, water everywhere - but not a drop you'd want to drink
resedit wrote:
robco wrote:
If dumping toxic chemicals into the environment is good for business, shouldn't we allow it? Why do these people expect the government to help them?
It's not good for business.
Neither is killing your workers and consumers.
I'm not dead yet.
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