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#1 2009-09-13 9:08 pm
- galeninjapan
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Some network issues
I just moved into a new apartment with some new roommates. They set me up with on their wireless network which, they say, works perfect for them. Unfortunately for me, it terrible. At random times websites take minutes to load, sometimes the never load. About 90% of the time I can turn my my airport off and then on and it clears the problem up for a few minutes.
The wireless router is a Dlink and i'm running 10.5.8
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#2 2009-09-14 10:02 am
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Re: Some network issues
Are you roommates also using the network for something? (Bittorrent, streaming video, etc.) Possibly using all the bandwidth?
Are you also resetting the router? I had a D-Link WiFi router that would get... clogged... after a while. Had to power cycle it about once a week. 
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#3 2009-09-14 1:12 pm
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Re: Some network issues
I have experienced a similar problem to this, and we discovered that the router is getting screwed up at times for an unknown reason. You can try pinging the router by opening the terminal and typing "ping 192.168.x.x" where 192.168.x.x is the router's IP address, any thing above a few ms is too high. When the router gets flooded, power cycling it as DV said typically fixes it, we're trying to determine if some program is flooding the router or if the router is just junk. (Belkin router btw)
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#4 2009-09-14 4:39 pm
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Re: Some network issues
Since your connection problem is intermittent, then it seems likely that there isn't anything barrier in the way like grounded chickenwire in the walls.
Use a program like iStumbler (donationware) to see what your connection looks like while you have a good connection and compare it to when you have a poor one.
What may be happening is that there is another network in your area which is on intermittently that is overriding your signal from your roommates' network because your room is closer to that source, or that there is some device in your area which is using the 2.4 GHz band (like a wireless phone handset). You can ask your roommates to switch the channel within the 2.4 GHz band they are using to another which isn't being used or only has a weaker (and presumably further) network using it--on the other hand there are some devices which flood the 2.4 GHz band and there isn't much you can do about that.
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#5 2009-09-14 8:15 pm
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Re: Some network issues
Im downloading the program now.
What is "power cycling" is that just turning it off and then on?
I ran iStumbler and got this. Signal 42% Noise 21% Sampl 40 Frequency 2437.
I ran the ping command in terminal. here is what I got.
64 bytes
time=0.086 ms
time=0.061 ms
time=0.066 ms
time=0.059 ms
time=0.046 ms
time=0.055 ms
time=0.055 ms
time=0.042 ms
time=0.050 ms
time=0.050 ms
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#6 2009-09-14 8:27 pm
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Re: Some network issues
How do I stop the ping? lol just close the terminal?
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#7 2009-09-14 8:46 pm
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Re: Some network issues
yes, close terminal.
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#8 2009-09-14 8:52 pm
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Re: Some network issues
galeninjapan wrote:
How do I stop the ping? lol just close the terminal?
Control-C. And please don't say 'LOL'. It's not intelligent.
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#9 2009-09-14 9:37 pm
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Re: Some network issues
danielb0101 wrote:
galeninjapan wrote:
How do I stop the ping? lol just close the terminal?
Control-C. And please don't say 'LOL'. It's not intelligent.
lol
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#10 2009-09-15 12:29 am
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Re: Some network issues
OK, put down those iStumbler numbers somewhere so you can refer to them when your connection is bad.
Your noise level is a bit high. My primary WiFi station has 30% signal / 15% noise and it is a couple of rooms away from my MacBookPro. My MBP connects via a secondary station which is wirelessly extending my network, and that has 42% signal / 11% noise.
Your network's frequency is 2437 which means that it is on channel 6. Next time you have a bad connection, run iStumbler and see if there are any other wireless networks in your area which may be interfering with yours. Please note that while there are 11 channels in the 2.4 GHz band, because of bleed-through on nearby channels there are really only 3 effective channels: 1, 6 and 11. If someone in your area has set up their network using a channel next to 6 (i.e. 4 though 9), then that may be the problem. You might be lucky enough that the other network name has enough info to identify where it is so you can sit down with them to hash through the problem; if not, then you could ask your roommate to reset his network to use, say, channel 1 if the interfering network is using channel 8.
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#11 2009-09-15 3:17 pm
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Re: Some network issues
galeninjapan wrote:
What is "power cycling" is that just turning it off and then on?
You got it, lol
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#12 2009-09-15 3:34 pm
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I should add that there are some devices like some microwaves ovens and lights which "broadcast" across the 2.4 GHz band and may be the cause of your connection problems. Naturally such devices will not supply any network ID info in iStumbler or any other program, which is why you need to note down the iStumbler numbers when your connection is good. If when your connection is poor and iStumbler doesn't located another network possibly providing interference, then you may be a victim of one of these devices which wipe out the 2.4 GHz band.
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#13 2009-09-16 11:01 am
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Re: Some network issues
Would the above reasons still exist if my roommates say their connection is fine even though mine is not?
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#14 2009-09-16 12:01 pm
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Re: Some network issues
galeninjapan wrote:
Would the above reasons still exist if my roommates say their connection is fine even though mine is not?
possibly
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#15 2009-09-16 4:27 pm
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Re: Some network issues
galeninjapan wrote:
Would the above reasons still exist if my roommates say their connection is fine even though mine is not?
In that case I would look for an interfering wireless network rather than a device broadcasting in the 2.4 GHz band. Such devices tend to overwhelm the entire band and provide a lot of interference for everyone over a wide area. This is not to say that it is impossible but it would be lower on my list of things to investigate.
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