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Last edited by mo' ron (2009-09-14 12:07 am)

This is how I imagine MoL.

Again, what the smurf is up with you essentially calling those who don't like Obama's polices racist by insisting upon inserting a racial indication?

Your news source says nothing about racial breakdown, why do you?

I wasn't there.
However, there were some non whites there.

Political movements are rarely broken down exactly as the demographics of the area where they are held.
That doesn't make them racist.

By continuing to inject race into this issue, you essentially are saying that minorities do not have the right to have disagree with Obama because that's a "white" movement. Same thing Garafolo did when she said minorities who oppose Obama have stockholmes syndrome.

It is itself an extremely racist point of view.

This isn't about race.
Why does the left keep insisting that it is?

Me thinks the left thinks they have the god given right to control the minorities, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SLAVE OWNERS OF THE SOUTH.

This notion of theirs has come out several times - IE when Barbara Boxer was questioning the CEO of the Black Chamber of Commerce.

Do not deny the black man the right to dissent against a President who's policies they disagree with.
We on the right don't.

user wrote:

Who's denying black folks the right to protest? We're just pointing out that not many are.

To what end?

What was the point of putting [white] in the thread topic except to imply a racist tone to the march?

resedit wrote:

I wasn't there.
However, there were some non whites there.

Political movements are rarely broken down exactly as the demographics of the area where they are held.
That doesn't make them racist.

Wow, thanks for putting words in my mouth.  I referred to them as white--the vast, vast, vast majority of them are--not as "racist."  I do believe that many of these protesters are partially motivated by the president's race, however.  This was made evident during the election, when person after person walking into McCain/Palin rallies made derogatory comments about Obama being a "muslim" or "terrorist." 

By continuing to inject race into this issue, you essentially are saying that minorities do not have the right to have disagree with Obama because that's a "white" movement. Same thing Garafolo did when she said minorities who oppose Obama have stockholmes syndrome.

It is itself an extremely racist point of view.

I never said that minorities "do not have the right" to disagree with Obama.  And really--you can keep bringing up Janeane Garofalo, and I can keep saying "I don't give a smurf about Janeane Garofalo."

This isn't about race.
Why does the left keep insisting that it is?

Me thinks the left thinks they have the god given right to control the minorities, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SLAVE OWNERS OF THE SOUTH.

"Control minorities?"

This would funny if I didn't think you've actually convinced yourself that conservatives and the true champions of minority rights.

resedit wrote:

user wrote:

Who's denying black folks the right to protest? We're just pointing out that not many are.

To what end?

What was the point of putting [white] in the thread topic except to imply a racist tone to the march?

It's to imply that--most of them are white.  Care to dispute that?

Do you know what the "million man march" was?  Perhaps you're unaware of the reference.

Last edited by bratboy (2009-09-14 7:56 am)

resedit wrote:

There were new rules posted about things like "lunatic".
I assume those rules are to be equally applied.

Oh dear, this sounds serious!

Better send a PM out quickly.  Perhaps consider writing the magazine.

You believe the opposition to Obama is "centered" on the old confederacy because it is beneficial to your position to demonize the political position of those you disagree with.

The march had nothing to do with racism, and while there undoubtedly are some people who oppose Obama because of the color of his skin, the vast majority of us who oppose him don't give a rats ass about the color of his skin.

You're a long way from the south, Res.

user wrote:

Who's denying black folks the right to protest? We're just pointing out that not many are.

Besides, the title was just a pun.

If I hated Obama’s policies, I personally would be hesitant to join these peoples’ protests just because the signs they make don’t exactly paint them to be the most race-tolerant people.

resedit wrote:

There were new rules posted about things like "lunatic".
I assume those rules are to be equally applied.

You believe the opposition to Obama is "centered" on the old confederacy because it is beneficial to your position to demonize the political position of those you disagree with.

The march had nothing to do with racism, and while there undoubtedly are some people who oppose Obama because of the color of his skin, the vast majority of us who oppose him don't give a rats ass about the color of his skin.

Skin color seems to be most important to the left, and the left better check that now.

No, I say it's centered on the old Confederacy because that's what the polls all say.

There were also the polls last year that found Obama would have done much better in the election had he been white.

Sorry, friend. That's just the way it is.

ShnickyShnack wrote:

There were also the polls last year that found Obama would have done much better in the election had he been white.

Sorry, friend. That's just the way it is.

Sure.

That doesn't mean race has anything to do with the opposition movement.

Obama is the first black president.
Regardless of whether you like his politics, that is a MAJOR accomplishment, and something for the black community to be proud of.
He's a good role model for young black children. He's proof that they can do anything they want to do. And regardless of his politics, that's a good thing.

You think that might have an impact on how many blacks show up to express dissent at his policies?

Then there's the case of the guy giving away flags at a town house meeting.
He was black. What happened to him?

Several other black men used racial slurs against him, told him he was a poor excuse for a N (or something along those lines), and beat the crap out of him.

You think that might have an impact on how many blacks show up to express their dissent?

The dissent is about too much spending and a health care plan that we think is bad for the country.
This isn't a racial issue.

The continual attempt to make it a racial issue is an intellectually dishonest tactic known as Ad hominem - dismissing an argument based upon some perceived (maybe even true) characteristic of the arguer and not on the argument itself.

It isn't the dissenters who are making any kind of a deal out of skin color.
It is the left looking at skin color and then making judgements based upon the skin color (when it suits them to do so).

This is not a racial issue, there is no need to look at skin color.

resedit wrote:

The continual attempt to make it a racial issue is an intellectually dishonest tactic known as Ad hominem - dismissing an argument based upon some perceived (maybe even true) characteristic of the arguer and not on the argument itself.

It isn't the dissenters who are making any kind of a deal out of skin color.

It is the left looking at skin color and then making judgements based upon the skin color (when it suits them to do so).

This is not a racial issue, there is no need to look at skin color.

I'm sorry, but I think this represents a fairly high amount of delusion on your part.  "Ad hominem?"  I am going off of what these people are SAYING, what they're posting on their websites, what they're screaming in Town Hall meetings, what they were screaming at McCain/Palin rallies, and what the signs say that they're holding.  Then there's the fact that white supremacist groups have shown up.  Then there's the fact that this was organized by 'the president is a racist' Glen Beck, master of nutty conspiracy theories. 

Guess what?  If someone isn't doing any of those things, if they're expressing their position clearly and rationally, then I don't have any problem with them whatsoever. 

The south, in overwhelming numbers, believes the President was born in AFRICA!?  You believing that there is simply no racial element to this whatsoever is a bit difficult to swallow.

Last edited by bratboy (2009-09-14 8:58 am)