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#1 2009-09-22 8:37 pm

wellfleation
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Net Neutrality bill

I have to admit, I got this off another thread on which the poster did not back it up with a thread. Looks GOOD if true though:

Federal Communications Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski announced Monday, that the FCC would prevent broadband carriers from limiting your access to high speed Internet for things like Internet-based voice calls, video streaming, and legal file sharing (that carriers might wish to block or at least charge extra for). In a speech to the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. on Monday, Genachowski said the FCC will begin to formalize net neutrality rules in the United States.

Genachowski also wants to have a public discussion about how net neutrality regulations would apply to mobile broadband providers. This is particularly important with the emergence of data-intensive smartphone handsets, 3G netbooks, and wireless broadband cards. As expected, not everyone is happy with Genachowski's concept of what a free and open Internet should be.

Here's what's going on:

The FCC's Four Freedoms Grow to Six

On Monday, Genachowski described the Internet as a "blank canvas" that has inspired "innovation and ubiquitous entrepreneurship." He cited online success stories like Netscape, Facebook, and eBay, arguing that businesses like these could not have been successful without a free and open Internet.

To keep the Internet neutral, Genachowski wants the FCC to formally adopt six principles, four of which have been employed by the FCC on a case-by-case basis since 2005.

1. Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice.

2. Consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement.

3. Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network.

4. Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.

The two additions:

5. Broadband providers cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their networks, favor certain content or applications over others and cannot "disfavor an Internet service just because it competes with a similar service offered by that broadband provider."

6.Broadband providers must be transparent about the service they are providing and how they are running their networks.
Don't force us to be free

While the principle of net neutrality has been embraced for years by many Internet advocates including Craig Newmark of Craig's List, Google, and Microsoft; broadband providers and mobile operators aren't so sure about Genachowski's plan.

In a blog post entitled "Does the Internet Need More Regulation? FCC to Decide," David L. Cohen, executive vice president of broadband for Comcast -- one of the largest broadband providers in the United States -- points out that net neutrality debates have been going on for years. During that time, however, the "Internet has enjoyed immense growth... [and the] Internet in America has been a phenomenal success." With that in mind, says Cohen, it is "fair to ask whether increased regulation of the Internet is a solution in search of a problem." Despite Cohen's questions about government intervention, he says Comcast is committed to working with the FCC on this issue.

Wired's Dylan F. Tweney has an interesting take on the FCC's net neutrality moves, arguing that intervention will actually stifle your Internet access. Tweney's three-point argument suggests that broadband providers may be forced to give up on flat-rate Internet service in favor of bandwidth caps. Bandwidth, Tweney argues, is not unlimited -- especially for mobile providers -- and therefore must be managed. Tweney believes formal net neutrality will cause problems in broadband that we've already seen with iPhone users' inconsistent service from AT&T. Enforcement may also be difficult for the FCC to carry out, according to Tweney, because it will be hard to prove when a service provider has run afoul of neutrality regulations. Tweney also says an open and free Internet has already won out over closed networks, and points to the failures of services like AOL and CompuServe as examples.

Mobile Provider Backlash

In his speech, Genachowski didn't lay out any specifics for how net neutrality would apply to mobile providers. However, the FCC Chairman did say he wanted the regulatory body to "analyze fully the implications of the principles for mobile network architectures and practice."

Cell phone companies were not too thrilled to hear about this.

"We are concerned the FCC appears ready to extend the entire array of net neutrality requirements to what is perhaps the most competitive consumer market in America , wireless services," AT&T said in a statement. Verizon also spoke up, saying the FCC should not start regulating the Internet and arguing net neutrality would "limit customer choices and affect content providers, application developers, device manufacturers and network builders," according to the BBC.

Their response $ $ $:

Republicans Move Against Net Neutrality

Reacting to the FCC's announcement, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson from Texas, who is the ranking Republican on the Senate Commerce Committee, attached an amendment to an appropriations bill that would deny the FCC any funding for "developing or implementing new Internet regulations," according to Eweek. Republican objections to the FCC proposal include concerns that government intervention would stifle innovation. The amendment was co-sponsored by four other Republicans.

What's next for the FCC

Genachowski said he wants to initiate a public discussion about net neutrality that is "fair, transparent, fact-based, and data-driven." The FCC Chairman says nothing is predetermined, and will schedule public workshops as well as online discussion. To that end, the FCC has launched a new Website called OpenInternet.gov, where, you can submit comments, view Genachowski's speech, and connect with the FCC through social networks and new media like Twitter, Facebook and YouTube.

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#2 2009-09-22 11:48 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

If only your FCC can shoot down the (Bell) lobbyists here across the border who, I suspect, are the cause behind Skype not yet having online phone numbers in Canada.

Save on home phone. Save on (ridiculously high) cell phone rates. That's all I'm asking.


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#3 2009-09-22 11:49 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

Keep in mind that this would hurt Apple, too.  Keep in mind all of the controversy over Apple's acceptance policy of iPhone apps.  It would also put Apple in a corner, possibly to the point that they would no longer allow open development of applications for their mobile OS.

That, in my humble opinion, would suck on things that people wouldn't like to suck on.


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#4 2009-09-23 7:23 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

Can you be more specific?


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#5 2009-09-23 7:52 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

It could hurt Apple if they aren't smart and/or careful. Fortunately and unfortunately Apple plays the market very close to the vest. That sets them up for all of the controversy but it allows them to shift directions as the situation permits and/or needs.

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#6 2009-09-23 8:55 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

ScifiterX wrote:

It could hurt Apple if they aren't smart and/or careful. Fortunately and unfortunately Apple plays the market very close to the vest. That sets them up for all of the controversy but it allows them to shift directions as the situation permits and/or needs.

So in others words, Apple could push through legislation that is very positive to the consumer or negative, if the above article is correct. Usually Apple swings in the right direction so let’s hold our breath. However, there will be those who will fight whatever becomes of this tooth & nail.


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#7 2009-09-23 9:19 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

Not so much with legislation but in terms of setting corporate policy I agree.

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#8 2009-09-23 5:57 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

The irony of the Republican objection is that the most important value insuring net neutrality would promote is continued innovation. Fat, non-discriminatory pipes are the platform on which future innovations can be built. That, to this point, the net has been neutral is the reason for the explosion of innovation we have all enjoyed.
The next google will be impossible if providers have a deal with Yahoo to degrade all searches except theirs.
Net neutrality is what makes innovation on the WWW possible. If the USA fails to insure a neutral net in the future we are guaranteeing that the center of tech innovation will leave these shores.
ISPs need to be viewed as utilities and regulated as such.


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#9 2009-09-23 9:02 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

So basically they're saying "We want the freedom to limit the market however we choose."
slick.

EDIT: The objectors, I mean (hopefully obvious).

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#10 2009-09-23 9:30 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

The following is the response I got from my ever-loving senator, Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me regarding equal and unrestricted access to the Internet. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this issue.

The Internet is a valuable tool that facilitates business, education, and recreation for millions of Americans. In 2008, an estimated 220 million Americans had access to the Internet at home or work. As Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, I am committed to ensuring that consumers benefit from competition in the telecommunications industry, resulting in lower prices, improved service, and access to 21st century technology.

Instrumental to the success of the Internet is the longstanding policy of keeping the Internet as free as possible from burdensome regulations. Increased investment in upgrading and expanding America’s Internet infrastructure, as well as innovative new broadband networks, will ensure that all Americans have access to affordable high-speed Internet. However, intensified regulation of the Internet, such as congressionally mandated treatment of data, would stifle competition and would decrease the incentive for network operators to invest in the Internet infrastructure.

It is my concern that mandates that prevent network providers from managing congestion on the Internet will reduce service speeds for many users, and eliminate a valuable tool for ensuring the most efficient use of network pipelines, resulting in increased costs to the consumer. In a June 2007 report on the issue of “network neutrality”, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) stated that no “demonstrated consumer harm from conduct by broadband providers” had occurred due to network providers managing Internet traffic. More recently, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) issued a decision involving Comcast and certain network management practices. While this decision works its way through the courts, Congress may continue reviewing network practices and Internet congestion issues.

Should any legislation regarding Internet access come before the Senate Commerce Committee, you may be assured I will keep your views in mind. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to keep in touch on any issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
United States Senator

In otherwords, she just blew me off.


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#11 2009-09-24 9:40 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

sturner wrote:

The following is the response I got from my ever-loving senator, Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me regarding equal and unrestricted access to the Internet. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this issue.

The Internet is a valuable tool that facilitates business, education, and recreation for millions of Americans. In 2008, an estimated 220 million Americans had access to the Internet at home or work. As Ranking Member of the Senate Commerce Committee, I am committed to ensuring that consumers benefit from competition in the telecommunications industry, resulting in lower prices, improved service, and access to 21st century technology.

Instrumental to the success of the Internet is the longstanding policy of keeping the Internet as free as possible from burdensome regulations. Increased investment in upgrading and expanding America’s Internet infrastructure, as well as innovative new broadband networks, will ensure that all Americans have access to affordable high-speed Internet. However, intensified regulation of the Internet, such as congressionally mandated treatment of data, would stifle competition and would decrease the incentive for network operators to invest in the Internet infrastructure.

It is my concern that mandates that prevent network providers from managing congestion on the Internet will reduce service speeds for many users, and eliminate a valuable tool for ensuring the most efficient use of network pipelines, resulting in increased costs to the consumer. In a June 2007 report on the issue of “network neutrality”, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) stated that no “demonstrated consumer harm from conduct by broadband providers” had occurred due to network providers managing Internet traffic. More recently, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) issued a decision involving Comcast and certain network management practices. While this decision works its way through the courts, Congress may continue reviewing network practices and Internet congestion issues.

Should any legislation regarding Internet access come before the Senate Commerce Committee, you may be assured I will keep your views in mind. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to keep in touch on any issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
United States Senator

In otherwords, she just blew me off.

Blow you off. She didn't even write that.


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#12 2009-09-24 11:06 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

No her office did.

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#13 2009-09-24 11:09 am

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I know she never saw it, but her stance is stated. No support for the customers.


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#14 2009-09-24 1:20 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

If she blew you off (remove the word "off"), at least you would have gotten something, because those words ain't meaning anything. Sorry, couldn't resist.


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#15 2009-09-24 9:20 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

sturner wrote:

The following is the response I got from my ever-loving senator, Kay Bailey Hutchinson.
[..]

In otherwords, she just blew me off.

Obnoxious, but academic. Oppo's thrown in the towel for now.

Anti-net neutrality language removed from key bill

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski and his staff earlier this week proposed new net neutrality rules that would block internet service providers (ISPs) from discriminating against internet traffic by traffic type (e.g. P2P traffic) and prevent the sale of expensive "speed lanes" and relegation of independent sites to "slow lanes".  It would also require ISPs to be more transparent about their traffic practices.  The proposal quickly was threatened, though, and the rest of the week Genachowski and his Democratic colleagues in Congress were left scrambling to try to save the initiative.

The measures were placed in jeopardy by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison's (R-Texas) language which she planned to insert into an Interior Department appropriations bill.  The language would blocking financing enforcement of the new FCC rules – many Republicans supported the measure.
..

In the eleventh hour, they backed down, though, thanks to the FCC staff reaching out to them.  A Republican staffer stated to The Washington Post, "While we are still generally opposed to net neutrality regulations, we have decided to hold off on the amendment because [FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski] approached us and we are beginning a dialogue."

The real debate will likely occur in October when the proposal is officially presented.  It will then go through a regularly scheduled notice of proposed rule making (NPRM), a session in which the ISPs and Republicans will likely push the FCC to relax certain parts of the rules or make changes.

Republicans Give Up Fight Against FCC's Net Neutrality


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#16 2009-09-25 7:32 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

The real debate will likely occur in October when the proposal is officially presented.  It will then go through a regularly scheduled notice of proposed rule making (NPRM), a session in which the ISPs and Republicans will likely push the FCC to relax certain parts of the rules or make changes

Unless I do not understand this properly, this is when the bill will be completely watered down during this "process" of compromise. roll

Industry sentiment on the new measures vary.  AT&T wants to make the enforcement even stronger -- but exempt wireless services from the provisions.  Virgin's CEO, on the other hand, recently remarked that net neutrality was a "load of bullocks".  Verizon opposed the measure, while Comcast gave it some praise.  Industry groups commented that the bill had some good parts, despite expressing concerns as well.

Some interesting supporters and doubters behind this bill which makes me feel even more like I don't understand it. For example, Verizon was against the throttling down of speeds.


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#17 2009-09-26 3:55 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

The free market (The Mob) rules.


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#18 2009-09-26 6:57 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

We're going to take the power back! Or something.


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#19 2009-09-26 11:02 am

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

Apparently, it seems it's only bad when it it applies one's own company and not someone else's.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10362148-266.html

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#20 2009-10-24 8:52 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality bill

In an effort to confuse and disorient law makers and the public Former Presidential Candidate Senator John McCain introduced a bill titled Internet Freedom Act of 2009 which aims to block the Government from regulating and controlling the internet, effectively giving ISP's free reign over data throttling and other devious practices.


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